Back on 04/09/2020 I sought your assistance and advice with regards to my gelding telling me is very unhappy with the bit in his mouth. See my email below:
I was hoping to get some advice with regards to your Horse Starting Bits if possible?
My gelding is telling me that he is not at all enjoying having a bit in his mouth. He tries to avoid me placing it into his mouth, and once in, he is very busy with it and constantly puts his tongue over the top of the bit.
I know that he is telling me that he is uncomfortable and is doing what he can to avoid any pressure. I have tried numerous bits and bridles in an attempt to help him become more comfortable and relaxed, without success. I even recently paid $200+ on a bit that I was told would help to resolve the issue. It didn’t. Silly me. (I even contacted the local SA company I purchased from to advise that the issue was still there – to which I was directed to buy another very expensive bit from them).
I know there could be a number of reasons why he is unhappy and I know you couldn’t possibly know the answer from reading an email – but for some context:
The majority of my riding is trail riding, and I ride on a complete loose pleasure rein. I also ride with a market harborough so if I do have cause to take up contact, that it is soft and I am not accidentally yanking on his mouth in any way.
I have recently had a vet check, his teeth done, body work, farrier, saddle fit – no issues were found and he is in good health and sound.
He was started under saddle approx. 12 months ago, and he has always done this. I watched when he had a bit placed into his mouth for the very first time, and he immediately placed his tongue over the top of the bit. Even though he gets very busy with the bit in – he is still very good to ride. He does not bolt/rear/buck/head shake/try to get above the bit… he just plays with it constantly and puts his tongue over and back, over and back. The only thing I have tried which helped was to use a grackle bridle, with the chin strap to hold the bit firmly in his mouth. But this annoys him and he tries to rub the chin strap off. I am loathe to use something that ‘forces’ him to not to play with the bit – that doesn’t solve the issue, and I would really like to find a solution where he is comfortable and happy.
In light of the above, I was wondering whether your horse starting bit might be worth a try? Would it be beneficial for him even though he is already started? I am willing to try anything and everything that will help him to feel calm, confident and happy.
I am also curious about your thoughts on bitless bridles?
Thank you for your time.
I just wanted to touch base with you and say a very BIG thank you for your time and assistance – I am very happy to report that after purchasing your bit, my gelding has stopped playing with the bit all together. He no longer places his tongue over and back, and he doesn’t stick it out the side and let it flap about in the wind as we ride. He feels much happier and more comfortable and relaxed, and I feel that I have a lot more ‘steering’ than I did before. I was reluctant to send you an email too soon in case I jinxed myself, but I think I am pretty safe now after a few months to let you know. 😊 We have also just started doing a lot more arena work now and we’re taking up a bit more contact (as opposed to when we are out trail riding on a loose pleasure rein), and while we are (both) in the very early stages I am very happy with how he is responding. Your bit has been a godsend!
I know I speak for us both when I say, THANK YOU.
PS – I have attached a few images which were captured from video just yesterday – unfortunately I don’t have a before image but trust me, these ones show a very different horse!
15th June, 2020
HORSE STARTING ONLINE
Hi John, I’ve been meaning to message you to let you know I’ve finally got around to starting one of my horses using your system. I am seriously the ultimate lazy horseman and I just love the effectiveness of your system Enjoying riding my pony boy (horse) and feel that your system, even with a lazy rider! Has been great. Thank you so much
Thanks Linda. Well done. Lovely Horse. You must be so proud. 😘
23rd July, 2020
13th July, 2020
Starting the Horse
Hey John, I just wanted to send a quick photo of my pony… I was asking your advice a few years back about breaking in my pony. Unfortunately a few things came up in my life and had to put on hold… fast forward to today and have been doing our mouthing work again (did not forget a single thing from our training before!).
Gotta love your mouthing system, soft as butter today for my jockey with her first ride today
THE HALTING HORSE
17th Feb, 2020
This Horse had been coming to a Halt and not moving for the Lady. We did a one hour assessment and some work, last Week.
This is my email if you have time to send me that 44 pages E-Book for Your Running Reins System, to work with
Really appreciated Friday. She’s so much more responsive and we have been practicing our one rein stops, back up and leg yields. We’re doing good. Nice trots and great stops.
5th February, 2020
LINDA O’LEARY DRESSAGE LESSON
Hi Linda, I thought you’d like to know that I worked Bianca today and she was hoof perfect. Balance ✔️ suppleness ✔️collection ✔️ self carriage ✔️ Thank you so much for this opportunity to learn and feel on your beautiful boy 🥰 when I told Nienke about the lesson yesterday I couldn’t help but well-up with tears of joy 😊
5th February, 2020
QUALITY OF GEAR
17th December, 2018
Hi John, just wanted to let you know that the colt I got your foal DVD for was gelded this morning and the vet was thrilled with his excellent behaviour and manners. So glad I got your DVD and got him handled whilst still a little guy
That’s lovely Carly and I thank You. We both appreciate it! Congrats and well done. Give Him a Kiss for me!….the Colt that is 🙂
15th December, 2018
I have a chronic windsucker, nothing worked on him as he is smart and would figure out how to suck with the device on. That is until I ordered your collar! He doesn’t even try to suck with your collar on! So, thank you for developing a product that works and will save my horse’s teeth.
10th December, 2018
And to those who don’t like hobble training. Here is one of my young horses found her half way into pig yards. Been there awhile not one mark on her
Peoria Sygnify (aka Ziggy) (grey) 2 years.
Bred by us, reared here using your methods. Sold as a yearling to Belinda, Victoria, whose doing a great job taking him on.
7th December, 2018
Also just wanted to say a massive thanks to John, when I first came up on the website a few years back now I was after a way to halter train my soon to be new foal. John then recommended a few other videos to make the perfect foal, leg restraints tying up etc. All I can say is wow, I remember seeing a photo where one of John’s horses stood for the vet for an ultrasound and I was just amazed. Little did I know that the same foal I halter trained, leg restraint would do the exact same thing. The vet came out for a little bit of hay in her eye I put the hobbles on her and the vet had told me that he never met a yearling stand so quietly especially with someone pocking in her eye.
So for that John I will be eternally grateful and now every horse I meet will go through this process.
Thanks John and Merry Christmas to you and Mrs HP 🙂
3rd December, 2018
Halter breaking this 4+ days old colt. Your methods of course. Alarm went off by bed, mare dialed 12 midnight in dry calm conditions in an outdoor foaling paddock, then all hell broke loose with the weather, a massive thunderstorm/mino tornado. An electric tape in the next field (One of my paradise tracks) broke, crackling up in the air like a kite, mare was going silly, running newborn foal away so we stabled them immediately to ensure her taking foal away was not consolidated. Hence, they are in the stable. Today, high winds and dust storm here from Broken Hill. Handling him three times a day. We have two stables made up and alternate them twice daily to ensure clean bedding. He’s going great. I’ve been looking for your ‘foal timetable’ online. It is my bible during foaling and beyond season. I’ve mislaid my hard copy. Please can you point me to the online version. Many thanks Rosemary & Charley
Thanks Rosemary and well done as usual. Here is the updated Article. Credit to You!
FEEDBACK -HORSE TRAINING ONLINE
Hi John, just wanted to thank you for sharing yours and Linda’s knowledge through dvds and online. I’d never of considered starting this wb mare prior to learning about your method. I’ve still have plenty to learn and practice so will just keep working on improving my skills. This was this lovely mares 4th ride and final ride in round yard before heading out and about. Thanks again
Well done Katrina. Not easy starting Warmbloods. They are dangerous and You have to be above average to do it. Great effort. Regards
Thanks have just bought the putting on the bit and leg yielding. Always looking to learn better wayd to produce a better horse and to listen to each horse. The biggest thing i learned from this horse is the importance of getting on, on the first day. By the time it was time for her first ride she was already use to me getting on and off both sides and seeing me out of the other eye.
Thanks Kat. I am very proud of working that one out and adding to the World of inventions.
30th October, 2018
You’re a truly wonderful man for helping with poor Denny, the starving American Saddlebred stallion. So good to know he is in safe hands now.
Many many thanks from us as horse lovers and breeders/trainers of Arabian/Saddlebreds.
Thanks. He had a rough deal for many Years, at the Hands of a Bogan. He know knows what Green Grass is!!!
26th November, 2018
HP BITS FEEDBACK
There has been an incredible level of success with these Bits, since I altered the wonderful design of the Myler Brothers, to include the Horses from the ‘Énglish Disciplines’, like PC, Dressage etc. We are getting success stories daily now, from around the World and particularly in Britain, where Bit Fit UK have put in writing, that Horses prefer my Bits over Myler ( a big statement) but true. My testing has also found this.
Another one from an HBF Consultation today. It is your Hanging Cheek Barrell that the ended up with as the best for him: “I spent a fascinating afternoon with Claire and would strongly recommend her. Ted didn’t have any behaviour issues but I thought he was uncomfortable in the double jointed snaffle that I believed was quite mild. Due to his small mouth/ big tongue and dislike for poll pressure the bit was actually creating a lot of discomfort for him. Claire and I tried a range of bits and we watched as he lightened and became more open through his shoulders and more relaxed. When I think of how much I spend on other bits of horse kit, this is well worth the investment!”
The Consultant said: “HP Hanging cheek… difference was incredible within 10 minutes of further riding.
It is from one of my Horse Bit Fit Consultants,
The pony and rider are Trialing for the GB Squad!
The rider has ordered the bit from my website tonight.