Training the Green Horse

OLEARY BUCK STOPPER

OMG John! the buck stopper is wonderful! At it’s super well made! Thanks! My warmblood gets playful in the round pen at first – always comes out fresh-. I put it on him yesterday and the collar stopped him on a dime and humanely.  I had him with a long rope in case he would react badly but he thought it through and understood quite soon what he needed to do. We will use it these days with another warmblood we have that bucks with intent – not because of excitement.  This is certainly another keeper from your toolbox!!

(1)Does the buck stopper rewire their brain to take the buck out of the equation?

Hi Gretchen, thanks.

Use it sparingly if you can, not like a Dummy for a Baby. The aim is to remove the thought of Bucking, from the Mind of the Horse.

In answer to Your question about re-wiring the Mind, yes, it helps, but not completely. There needs to be a package for these Horses for only 100% control will fix them, 100% of the time and then the brain dissipates the thoughts.

Horses generally become suspect after:

  • Having a Victory
  • Having a failed Mounting fright.
  • Being allowed to Buck with the Saddle on early, on the lunge and nothing being done about it.

To totally re-wire their Mind, one needs the further tools to ensure 100% success, not to be gambling. Here is the Video about that.

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/150661

Do You know my re-mouthing system. If You do, on such a horse during lunging, I put the inside mouthing rope on the horse, so that I can definitely shut the Horse down during the most important time of all for the greatest victory and effect of all, during an attempt to Buck, thus proving to the Horse that they may as well just forget all about it. Not only do you achieve progressively removing the thought from their Mind but You are improving the Mouth at the same time and during the time of MOST resistance one will ever encounter, the ‘underlying Mouth’, the one that is there below the surface, that You don’t see, unless it all goes to sh——😁

Regarding the other questions, the answers are as follows:



(2) is the buck stopper a transient training aid meaning that we should stop at some point (and when) or should they be kept on it (and frequency after they are retrained)?
yes

(3) can we use the buck stopper riding? We thought about using it without applying the english techniques (contact, collection, etc.) but rather riding the horse a la western to give them the freedom to carry themselves in a way that they don’t get negative reinforcement for the wrong reasons. 

yes

(4) what about jumping? this warmblood that is playful gets excited jumping and so we thought maybe it would be good. But then again, maybe it’s a bad idea or what we do in the round pen carries over to the ring and it is unnecessary/inappropriate.

12/2/22

HP RUNNING REINS SYSTEM

Also, I got the reining systems from you some time ago.  It’s so good that we are now using them with most of our horses.  That’s why we got a few more of these in the order we recently placed with you.  Great improvement on their toplines, self carriage, softness of the mouth, lateral movements and no more vet biils! thanks!!! We continue to use them 5-6 times a week.  

  now that the horses are in maintenance, should we reduce the frequency for the reining system to say 3 times a week. Or do they need to keep doing it 5-6 times a week? We will keep at it as necessary/convenient because of the efficacy of this training aid.
Again, thanks for all of your wonderful ideas and solutions.  They have been lifesaver for us on the other part of the world! 
be well,
Gretchen
Puerto Rico

yes, even twice a week for Mental stimulation of doing other things. Well done Gretchen. https://horseproblems.com.au/product/muscle-development-of-the-dressage-horse/

 

Out of his box

 

Hi Brodie,

Yes, he is well and truly OUT OF HIS BOX

 

I could give You all sorts of ideas but the quickest 2 would be these.

and

because that Pony well and truly has got on top of You, he needs to be bought down a Peg or 2 and the fastest, most simple way to do that is to teach him to remember well and truly, who is in charge and who he should rely upon for his help and assistance. So simply Hobble Train him and take away the power, the flight response and give an attitude change in the process.

 

regards

On 15/01/2023 7:36 am, Brodie Dobson wrote:

Hi John, not sure if you are still doing this…. but you were always my go to for problems many many moons ago when i was riding myself…. 
We’ve just stepped back into the horse world (mad!) and bought my daughter her first pony. Little 12hh Welshie. He’s an absolute dream once he is caught and under saddle. However catching him is the problem. (disclaimer - we were told this before we bought him and told an adult only would need to catch him) Initially he was tricky to catch in that he would just run away, but also turning his bum and putting his ears back… however after about 10mins of perseverance he would give up. We worked on methods you listed for catching problem horses and this helped a lot and my daughter was actuallif Youy catching him herself after a few days. Then yesterday (almost 2 weeks ownership) she went to catch him - but had to remove his grazing muzzle - which he has just started wearing (overweight pony in SE qld - crazy flood grass atm) he managed to escape her  and she couldn’t get near him. so i came down to help. Wouldn’t let me near him either and just wanted to eat… turned his bum and ears back, so i hunted  at him with my rope to move him around the yard and he turned at me, ears flat and almost tried to charge me and then spun when i growled at him and did a double barrel kick at me! (thankfully nowhere in range). i moved him around the yard again and he then stopped and let me catch him. He was fine after that and then even came up to my daughter free will after we had let him go… 
i’m not sure what happened other than he may have been “hangry”?? 
not real sure how to deal with this if it happens again? and a little bit worried that it happened in the first place! 
a would love your thoughts! 
thanks
Brodie 
Hi Brodie,
Yes, he is well and truly OUT OF HIS BOX
https://horseproblems.com.au/my-horse-is-out-of-its-box/
I could give You all sorts of ideas but the quickest 2 would be these.
https://horseproblems.com.au/the-oleary-system-of-join-up-plus-4-other-variations/
and
because that Pony well and truly has got on top of You, he needs to be bought down a Peg or 2 and the fastest, most simple way to do that is to teach him to remember well and truly, who is in charge and who he should rely upon for his help and assistance. So simply Hobble Train him and take away the power, the flight response and give an attitude change in the process.
https://horseproblems.com.au/product/stockmans-hobbles-for-the-horse/
https://horseproblems.com.au/leg-restraints-training-explained/
regards