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If I 'get up your nose', ignore it. I say things with a 'glint in the eye' and mean the best for you and your horses."

 
 

 

 

4TH DECEMBER, 2011

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

Hi Folks. Hope you are all well.

Very busy as usual. Dug 60 Holes through Rock again this Week, for the planting of Hedge Tree's, to provide more shelter for out Horse Yards and Paddocks as a few Cypress Pines are going to die with Bugs of some sort. So Susceptible those Trees!!! Installed

Mrs. HP taught and rode Peoples Horses all day Yesterday while I did 6 Hours of Fencing, attempting to keep a new arrival at our Property in the Paddocks ( a naughty 10 hand pony) Like many, he seems to like to prove he can get out and ignores electric fences :)

I was to assess a new Purchase for one of Mrs. HP's Young Pupils for she had purchased a nice big Irish Sport Horse Mare Interstate but when it came for them to load her onto the Float, alas, it couldn't be done.

The story continues here......

 

HORSE FLOAT CRITIQUE

I have lately said I have stopped doing critiques on Horse Float Manufacturers as my own designed Float was to be started by a Young Lass who had a brilliant Passion for betering the lot of Horses in this Country and she had been attempting to get them made in this Country. However, when Horses get affected by Horse Float Design, I can't help myself as I lost sleep over this last Night.

We went to the Property on the way home last night and there on show was a lovely brand new $20,000 Rowville Float. Now the other thing that annoys me greatly about Mr. Rowville is that a few Years ago, I picked him out as a builder of quality and spent quite a bit of time giving him a number of my design secrets which he was going to include in his Floats. Then at the last Melbourne Equitana, I walked to his stand with of my Clients who wanted to buy new Floats, checked them over, found he hadn't done a lot in terms of safety and got his agreement to include improvements especially for the Ladies, who purchased $40,000 worth on the spot. Move forward to last Night, the next time I have seen one close up.

Well the first thing that stood out was that the Float was too high off the ground and therefore the Ramp was far too steep for inexperienced Horses and Amateur Owners. The degree of difficulty to load a Horse had been seriously increased. As well, there were only very thin rubber grip slats which were a waste of time for such a steep ramp. So no wonder they couldn't get the Horse in the Float.

So I moved their Float to a steep embankment that was nearby and dropped the back ramp half way up it, thus diminishing the loading angle by half (which is what it should be) Immediately, the Horse clearly showed me that it was willing to go in the float without a Fight but was asking me to agree that it was now alright. I can't explain just what went on because of time but the communication was unbelievable. The Mare even nipped my Hand in her relief. One would think we would need a whip for one that had been jumping around the side of the Float for an hour and a half the day before but no such thing was needed. The Horse showed zero indication that she wanted to evade going into the Float at all.

So then came he attempt to get in. Would you believe that this Float had a back Leg on the Centre Divider @#$^&()_+_)*($%!@#^&*(_)*~!@#???? shades of the Dark Ages as well as a METAL BOLT FITTING thing that us used to shut the Bum Bars, so dangerous that I could not load her with the centre division in place, for her safety. I explained it to the onlookers, she attempted to walk in from a very slight angle once and immediately gouged her Shoulder on the Bolt (without breaking hair)

So we pulled the Divider across and of course she walked in and out 10 times without a NO. "Listen to your Horses"

So Folks, Rowville Horse Floats of Victoria just don't understand Horse Needs and Customer requirements. Regardless that he has been told. I have told the Lady to get rid of it.....and their Floats are too low to boot.

So out of pure frustration (I don't need the stress) we are going to Launch the Centaur with even more improvements and two more major design inventions on top of the Window and view, on board safety belts and much more. My Son is taking over www.centaurhorsefloats.com.au  and...

THEY WILL BE AFFORDABLE AND provide more Value for the Buck AS WELL AS FIXING EVERY DESIGN FAULT IN THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lara from Centaur will become the Western Australian Agent and a retired Air Force Engineer will be the Tasmanian Agent and have major design input into this project. There will be two Models. An entry level two Horse and the Dressage Queens Warmblood HIllton. "The Gainsborough"

Of course, this Poor Young Horse who had a stressful Week caused by poor Float Design, would have walked straight into the Gainsborough because of nthe Revolutionary Back Ramp for Dummies and Horses. Angle Bugger All and Horse Fall off Ramp features that no other Float has. Register any interest with Ryan O'Leary on Ryan o'Leary (ryanoleary85@gmail.com)

 

HORSE FLOAT LOADING

I would submit that it is a fact, that the vast majority of Horse Owners in this Country, ARE NOT taught Horse Float Loading systems. It is little wonder therefore, that the Daily ritual of fighting with Horses to get them into Floats, goes on all over the Country. The reason for that is the lack of education within the teaching systems and.........

Have you every thought about this?? THAT HORSE FLOAT DESIGN IS responsible for the vast majority of the refusal of Horses to go in them????? It is a fact. Horses are brilliant Judges of Humans and Horse Floats. Why should they go into a darkened Hole when they are born claustrophobics and panacikaholics????? Why would Prey Animals go into a Place where they can't survey the surroundings????? Why would a Horse believe it can ?

Horse Float Design then plays an enormous part in whether a Horse will accidentally go in or not. Unbeknownst to many Horse Owners, is the fact that most of the trouble they have with loading Problem Horses, is caused by Float Design and where the Horse is a better Judge than the blaze Humans in the Industry, who are just used to normal and who have never been prompted to think about such things. Such things as:

  • The angle of the back ramp which gives the illusion that the Horse thinks it can't fit in there when it looks up
  • The noises of the failed wheel bearings and other things.
  • The overall rattle level
  • The lack of view
  • Hooking the back leg on a centre division back leg on the way out
  • Cramped and not able to lower the neck on the trip and arriving stiff for competition.
  • A sense that the Floor is getting thin. (They know these things)
  • The Bad Driver of course
  • The Family all having a Brain transplant the moment they go to load the Horse onto a Float and going insanely tense in voice and actions with Mothers and Daughters blaming Fathers which is a regular thing seen.....and the list goes on. If the Family are behaving like Nut Cases, what is the Horse to think?

 

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Nathan is on the mend and has had his cast reset as it was causing him pain and was basically a stuff up. Immediately, he lost the pain and gained all the movement in the hand. Good News. There are some DH's in this Medical system I can tell you.!!

Donner Bella has been inseminated and we are waiting 18 Days now for the first Scan but the Vets were excited about the quality of the Semen when it was thawed. It had 80% motility versus another lot which was purchased from the South Australian Police for another Mare there, which had 20% and is basically useless. :(

I have a lovely young Race Horse coming to me and is going to be my guest for 12 Months, to correct her crooked Leg and to look after her well. The big Stud didn't do it's job well enough and the Racing Syndicate want her to have a better chance.

I have been finally getting around to more Filming for DVD's. Here is a unhandled Warmblood Horse at Home the other Day.

Lovely Boy. Just unhandled which makes life more stressful than it should be. :(

and working on my Natural Horsemanship DVD....with real Horses :)

Had I held onto his Beard or not had a 3.6 Metre Rope and be prepared to let it out, the Horse was DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NEWS OF THE DAY


Carlos De Cleermaecker clinic
Anvers Equestrian Centre
McLaren Vale

The next Carlos De Cleermaecker clinic will be held 16-18th Dec (Fri, Sat, Sun).

Carlose will also be conduction a flatwork/dressage info seminar at Anvers Wines cellar door with woodfire oven pizzas and wine to go around - EVERYONE welcome. This info seminar will be Free for those participating in the clinic, and $20 for anyone who would like to come and see what Carlos is all about.

Please contact Myriam: myriam.keoghan@anvers.com.au if you are interested in either/both.

There are still a few places left, so get in quick!
 

Woman tumbles in horse accident

BEAVERHEAD FLAT -- Verde Valley Fire crews were called to Beaverhead Flat Road Wednesday morning for a horse accident. A woman, who was riding about two miles from SR 179, fell from her horse and the horse spooked and ran.

Captain Mark Dixon says thee woman had been riding about two miles on a rough dirt road. The saddle apparently was not tight enough and slipped to the side and she fell off. At that point the horse ran from the site. It returned to the horse trailer where it was recovered.

The fire crew took a four wheel drive vehicle as far as they could and met the woman walking out where it turned into rough conditions.
 

Woman Hospitalized after Horse crashes through wind screen

A WOMAN was recovering in hospital last night after a horse crashed through her windscreen in a freak accident.

The woman was badly shocked after her car was involved in a collision with the animal on the Headford Road, on the outskirts of Galway city, yesterday.

The horse is thought to have broken loose and made its way on to the road where the collision took place.

The animal went through the windscreen of the car and the woman is believed to have sustained some broken bones, as well as cuts and bruising.

An ambulance and gardai were on the scene within a matter of minutes and she was rushed to Galway University Hospital. Her injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

The horse was killed on impact and there was severe disruption to traffic in both directions for some time after the collision.

Gardai at Mill Street Station in Galway (091 538000) have appealed for witnesses to the accident.

 

Horse Slaughter Is the Most Humane Solution to an Unfortunate Problem

I love my horse more than I’ve loved anything/anyone else in my life. I think the horse-human bond is one of those powerful, magical things that even science can’t really explain, and I can definitely credit the impact of various horses that have passed through my life for many of my personal and academic successes. All that being said, I am still in support of horse slaughter.

In 2006, Congress withdrew funding for inspection of horse slaughter plants, which resulted in the closure of the three plants in the United States. Last week, Congress approved and president Obama signed into law a bill that would restore this funding.

The first time I heard of the concept of horse slaughter was when I was in high school, and I was appalled at the idea. Generally, owners (or people who have stolen the horses) sell their horses to middlemen at horse auctions who in turn sell the horses to slaughterhouses, which then send the meat overseas for human consumption and to zoos within the United States. This sounds like a gruesome process — these horses have been bred to be our companions, and we just truck them off to be killed in a place where their last memories must be full of terror? So I cheered when the last of the slaughter plants closed in 2007.

However, the problem with closing the plants was that we ended up with a surplus of horses in this country. Euthanizing a horse and disposing of its body is expensive (usually upwards of $400), and people who could no longer afford to keep their horses started to let them waste away in a field or drove them to a remote part of the countryside and abandoned them. Rescue operations and shelters, which already didn’t have room to spare, became filled to overcapacity and had to turn away new horses. Even worse (arguably) is that there are still slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico, and horses often had to suffer through brutal journeys to get to these plants, which the United States has no ability to inspect or regulate.

In addition, while I’m only dealing with slaughter as it relates to the treatment of the horses, it is worth thinking about the hundreds of jobs that the slaughter plants supply.

The main benefit to reopening the plants in the United States is that we will now be able to regulate horse slaughter and make sure the animals are treated humanely (both in transit and at the plants), as we do for other food animals. Standards for food animal slaughter have been put into place in a large part due to the efforts of Dr. Temple Grandin, and it should not be difficult to apply these concepts to humane horse slaughter. At the very least, the horses won’t have to suffer through needlessly painful deaths.

In my ideal world, horse slaughter would not be necessary because there wouldn’t be a horse overpopulation problem. However, shutting down slaughter plants should be the last step in addressing this problem. First, we need to start with taking a closer look at the industry. Professionals breed hundreds of horses looking for the perfect champion, backyard horse owners breed their crippled mares looking for a surrogate to their beloved animals — these are the problems we have to address. If we could find a way to regulate breeding (or maybe require breeders to legally assume lifetime responsibility for any foal that they produce), then maybe we wouldn’t have an overpopulation problem and wouldn’t have any animals to send to the slaughterhouses. After all, it is a little disconcerting that other countries will accept our horse meat — horses are notoriously accident prone, there are very few of them that go through their lives without any drugs in their system, so I think the quality of the meat is highly suspect. But the fact of the matter is that we do have an overpopulation problem and horse slaughter plants are the best way we currently have to deal with it.

Personally, I would never even consider sending my horse to a slaughter plant. We’ve been through so much together, I know that when the time comes (hopefully a long time away from now) I’ll want to be with him to provide as much comfort to him as I can. I also recognize that for many people, the funds for euthanasia are simply not available (although I do think that responsible horse owners should have financial cushions for catastrophes), and for other people horses are simply business acquisitions with no emotional value. For these horses, the slaughter plants provide the most painless outcome possible.
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A 9-year-old horse and its owner were injured on Wednesday morning after a private bus rammed into their cart near Castle Mills in Rabodi, Thane. The accident occurred at 11.30 am when Rabodi resident Hanif Sheikh, 42, was riding his horse cart to Castle Mills. “I was on my way 
to buy food for my horse. We were riding along the side of the road and had crossed the Castle Mills bus stop. As we attempted to take a U-turn from a gap in a divider, a grey bus hit the cart from the rear and sped away. The cart and horse fell on the divider and I fell on top of them,” Sheikh said.

Both Sheikh and the horse were injured in the incident. Sheikh suffered minor injuries to his hands and legs.
The horse was taken to the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) hospital on Ghodbunder Road in Thane.
“The horse cannot stand erect. It is possible that it suffered a fracture to its a backbone. There are also minor scratches on its body. We have kept it under observation,” said Dr Suhas Rane from the SPCA.
Police officials, however, are not convinced by Sheikh’s story.
“The owner has not provided any information about the private bus— its car plate number or the company’s name,” said assistant inspector Satish Ghotekar from the Rabodi police station.
Police believe the bus’s honking might have frightened the horse and it may have slipped.
 

Road traffic accident leads to seven-figure damages claim


A seven-figure compensation settlement is being sought by a man left with life-changing injuries following a road traffic accident.

According to the Bristol Evening Post, Tobias Phethean-Hubble sustained a serious head injury when he was knocked off his bicycle by a car while on his way to work in Bristol in November 2005.

Mr Phethean-Hubble, who was 16-years-old at the time of the incident, is now confined to a wheelchair and, according to his mother Shani, will require extensive care for the rest of his life.

Consequently, his mother has taken legal action against the insurer of driver Sam Coles on the basis that his negligence is to blame for her son's injuries.

It has since been ruled that Mr Coles was 66 per cent responsible for the incident, meaning compensation could be awarded if a case at the Court of Appeal rules in Mr Phethean-Hubble's favour.

Recently, the Horse and Hound reported that horse rider Michaela Devereux is seeking damages after being left with a severe head injury after a road accident in the New Forest.

Contact our accident and injury solicitors on 0800 916 9046 or email enquiries@rjw.co.uk if you would like advice on any personal injury matter

 

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TWO HORSES SHOT

A Gainesville man is focusing his efforts on helping his horse, Lucky, get better. Lucky is living up to his name after surviving being shot.

"I thought we were going to have to put him down, but it didn't hit any bones," said Wade Hanes, owner.

Lucky's brother, Color, was also shot. His injury was so severe he had to be put down.

Wade Hanes said he heard a gunshot one evening last week. He didn't think anything of it because hunters are often in the woods hunting deer.

"I didn't have any idea someone shot my horses. I thought it was a deer hunter," said Hanes.

When he went out to check on the horses the next day he found a bullet had gone through the right side of Lucky's chest. The bullet had then shattered Color's kneecap.

"I have never seen anything as bad as the other horse (Color). It was awful," said Hanes.

Hanes said he thinks a hunter mistakenly thought his horses were deer. "I am pretty sure it was an accident. It was dark," said Hanes.

Lucky and Color are Paint horses. Hanes competed with them in cattle herding contests. He calls them his buddies. He wants to know who shot them and left.

The Hall County Sheriff's Office is investigating. Detectives said the case will likely go unsolved unless someone comes forward.

The vet said Lucky is expected to make a full recovery.

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LETTER OF THE DAY

 

Good morning John,

I would like some advice re one of my stallions Tom.

Tom is an eight year old stallion that is used for breeding and carriage driving. He is a very "macho" animal and I am quite concerned about his escalating aggressive behaviour.

He has always been a "space invader" which is it seems a breed characteristic with most Gypsy Cobs. I am not sure if this is something that has been bred into pulling horses or not. It was quite a lengthy training process to convince him that he had to wait for permission to come in.

Tom is a very good horse to drive and has done so in the company of other horses including mares with no bad behaviour only displaying the usual proud self carriage of an entire.

Two breeding seasons ago Tom stood at stud in Northern Victoria for a few months at a well known equine reproduction facility (not with Angus). When he returned home he was a very angry horse and his mood was not helped by the fact that my daughter's stallion was then living here. Tom hates this stallion but tolerates the other two boys quite well.

I am not sure what exactly happened while he was away other than a comment made by a man who used him with live cover over his mares and handled him with his wife as the vet was quite busy with AI etc. He told me that Tom had got his head past his wife and that she "had laid into him" and sorted him out. He would not elaborate further when questioned. I do know that his wife is a Parelli disciple.

I am the first to admit that Tom can be very intimidating as he is very loud when breeding. I have probably not helped as I never reprimanded him for either hollering or strutting when he is going to the breeding area as he never took the slack out of the lead and was just being a show off so it did not worry me. He does not behave this way when out and about working as a driving horse.

Whatever happened to him has made him completely lose the plot when the lead is wiggled from side to side. He now will behave quite well except when it is time to breed or if he sees the stallion he hates (I made my daughter take him home yesterday). Tom has learned to shove me out of the way with his shoulder and simply take control and that is not acceptable.

Yesterday, I was working on some yielding exercises with him. All was going well, he was soft in the eye, moving his quarters and fore away in either direction from a pointing finger etc.

Towards the end of our time, he came in too close and I twirled the rope over my head (like a
helicopter) to tell him to respect my space and it was like a switch came on. He immediately pinned his ears and lunged at me - caught the arm that was in the air in his teeth and I fell.

This shook me up somewhat - I am nearly 60 and a bit slower in my reactions than I used to be. After I got over my shock I went up to him and asked him to yield his quarters again which he did quite softly and backed him up. I then praised him and took the rope headcollar off.

Tom stood very still with his lower jaw and lip trembling for some time as if he too was in shock.
I have only ever seen this before in brumbies that have been captured and penned.

To me, it seems that Tom now feels that he has to fight to be able to breed. I think he now assumes that people are the enemy and will take the mares off him and the worrying part is that he learned that he is stronger than me. He absolutely loathes sideways movement of the lead rope and obviously twirling it too. He behaves as if his life is at stake.

At the same time, he can be very soft and affectionate. He is a horse that thrives on learning new things and is extremely intelligent and willing when not in a breeding situation.

Do you think that taking his leg away from him might help? He certainly needs somehow to know that he is not dominant but will not be hurt or abused either. My daughter believes that he is merely belligerent - she may be correct. I think that he has learned to fear and mistrust people and that he is more powerful than we are.

Tom lives out 24/7 in a two acre paddock around other horses. His progeny are lovely quiet horses. He is not fed high energy feeds.

I am more than happy to pay for your advice, I realise that you are probably inundated with requests and that your time is valuable.

Kindest Regards

Mary


Hi Mary. What a shame ey??? The old story. NEVER lease or loan your Horses!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sure the key here is the Parelli Person who probably made two mistakes. One being "Over Parelli of the Horse" whilst having "paralysis of the analysis" and not understanding Stallions and that he was 'DISCIPLINED WITHOUT JUSTICE"

Stallions need to be second in command and know who the Boss is. They accept Discipline readily but WILL NOT ACCEPT UNJUST DISCIPLINE and if they receive it, will turn their temperament quickly and you lose them.

The other secret with Stallions is that they are NOT SUITED completely to the 7 Games. Yes you can but only with a most observant Handler who knows how far to go and WHEN TO STOP in a session. Games with Stallions are dangerous as Hell, even with the nicest Stallions. Games can trigger attack Games in return so it is best to limit them to just "Stay out of my Face and out of my Face"

The other thing that I have found to be anti productive is to be leading Stallions alongside you. I never do that. They need to be trailing behind you like Cows. Way out the back on 2 metres of rope and minding their own Business. The moment you allow a Stallion to get his nose in front of yours, you have handed over control!!!!!!!!!!!

Now what??? Tricky stuff.

  • You should never do yielding games again.
  • You should go and hobble train him. That will do the job and regain respect, without you saying a thing.
  • Letting Stallions Yell out, drop the Penis out without permission or BREATH without Permission, is the order of the day, from Day One!!!!
  • Attempting to re-educate this now is where the Danger comes in. I would only know if I worked with him and looked in his eye.
  • Stick with what is easily and safely manageable. Leg Restraints Training.

Tell your Daughter I said "He may well be belligerent but is that OK?" I think not :) Especially for her Mothers Life.

 

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LETTERS OF THE DAY

 

Hi John,

Many thanks for your help with horses and their owners who want to learn a better way of doing things! Your no b. s. advice is what we need.

l have a new 5yo quarter horse that has bucked my husband off while just walking along on a loose rein. He was walking away from our pony at the time. l rang his previous owner and she said it was because l used a stock saddle instead of a western saddle that he was use to. In the meantime we changed his saddle to a light weight stock saddle which he didn't seem to mind when we went for a few quiet rides through the bush, with another horse. He seemed to go ok.

My daughter then rode him around the block by himself and he went ok. But when she came to the gateway she rode past it before coming straight in. As she turned to come back in he did a few big bunny hops and she came off. Not good for her or the horse. Because l'm just a novice rider l'm too scared to ride him now.

l have since purchased a western saddle. Diesel has a soft mouth. The girl who had him started barrel racing him and started him on the mechanical cow, so l thought he may have been a bit sour/sore with this work so l have turned him out for a couple of months. Tried doing the 7 games, but that made him narkey so have backed off, even though l only did it for a few minutes at a time.

As you can see l need help, and as you are not in Vic, and we can't clone you, l need to find someone l trust, who thinks like you, that can work with me to sort me out (the horse probably is OK!).

Under trainers on your web page is listed Bruce Prior of Lope-Along Park Training & Agistment Centre , in Rockbank. This is reasonably close to me. l tried to look him up on the web to find out more about his traing methods etc, but couldn't find much info. Could you fill me in, as l want someone to test his lateral mouth and work on the one rein stop. With this established, l'd feel safer and would ride Diesel. l also need to check out if the saddle fits ok. l'll get his teeth done as well.

Looking forward to hearing from you. THANK YOU... THANK YOU ..THANK YOU.....

Cheers. Lu.

Thanks Lu. This one is being "Naughty" and he comes with history. Yet another pee'd off Western Horse who has a 'Chip on his Shoulder' Unhappy with the World and needing his few small things in life that make him happy, "Home and his Mate"

So you are right, you just have to get the ability to shut him down if he tries. I don't know where Bruce is and that's his problem if he doesn't let me know to update his details.

However, you don't need Bruce! This you can do for yourself. Invest in the remouthing dvd and go do it. Remember, I make Video for Dummies and you can easily do it. Once you, have fixed the Mouth and got "Air Brakes" on the Horse, at some stage you are going to have to keep his head around (in your back pocket) and give him a couple of flicks with a whip and growl at him, just to see if that may sort him as well. Many it will. I have to qualify growling for many times I say that negative voices are anti training but with an identified 'naughtiness' regardless of the fact that none of it is his fault, a growl with the whip or long reins, can be productive. Regards

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Hi John,

I have a good example of how things can go very quickly and horribly wrong - and how dumb some of us can be sometimes. I have had a halter on my foal- now four weeks old, but not halter broken yet (this is the shetland filly that has had choke a few times so I've really been focussing on keeping her alive and helping her to recouperate). This morning as her mum was eating in the 'stable' (horse shelter with gate at front). I unconsciously leaned over the gate and took hold of the side of the foal's halter so I could wipe some gunk from her eye with my other hand. Of course she pulled back. I realised of course that I really shouldn't have done that- and over a gate too , but as I'm not one to let go usually, I held on, thinking it would only be for a second and then I'd let go. As quick as lightning the foal reared up and spun around, trapping my fingers in the twisted halter. Then of course the foal panicked even more, pulling, spinning and getting a leg stuck in the gate. The more I tried to help the worse it got. Anyway, halter finally slipped off and freed us both. Of course I went in and put the halter right back on and tied her up next to mum for a few minutes. Foal was fine and so is my hand, but it just goes to show how bad things can become quickly. I'm lucky she is under 30kg. A full sized foal may have broken my hand.

AND IT'S NECK too Viv. Lucky one. Could have been nasty alright. Lovely Colour Foal!! Yet another example as why we Halter Break our Foals early. I realize and understand why you didn't of course. Speaking of fit one's.

The foal has had serious choke three times (and a few minor ones when she's tried to eat her mum's manure). The last time, over a week ago, went on for 30 hours, in which time she couldn't nurse at all- so starved. The poor vet is getting used to me bugging him on the weekends and we have had a couple of late night drug exchanged in the deserted township - anti inflamatories, bute, ABs, stuff to stop bute giving her ulcers. It's all going smoothly now. I have to keep the mare and foal in the stable and keep the mare's food out of reach of the foal. I let them both out twice a day for an hour or two and the foal is muzzled at those times. In another week I can start intoducing easy to eat food and see what happens. We don't know if this foal will make it to adulthood- it all depends on whether she is able to eat without choking. I'm hoping the choke is just because she is a guts and tries to swallow too much (did find some mats of grass she had spat out). In the meantime we are just trying to give her a happy foalhood. Can't buy your foal handling DVD yet due to BIG vet bill- so will have to do with the second rate advice in books for now .

Kind Regards,
Vivienne
 

I wish you the best of Luck Viv. You'll need it by the sounds of it :)

 

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Hi Mr HP. Thanks for the E Books and also the DVDs which arrived yesterday.

I am in the process of adopting an OTT Standardbred harness racehorse for retraining under saddle. I have purchased your Retraining the Standardbred DVD previously which looks great.

On your website you have a DVD called "Remouthing The Horse" and one called "Mouthing The Horse". Could you please advise me which of these would be most appropriate for this type of horse?. The owners tell me he has a nice mouth, has never pulled, and stops on Whoa (which all sounds great!). I had also been thinking about going "bitless" on him using a (Light Rider bitless bridle). What are your thoughts on this with these horses?

Thanks for your help.
Kind Regards
Louise

 

Hi Louise

• Remouthing the Horse
• You can never trust a thing called “Whoa”….many have and many have disappeared over the Horizon 
• I am not a Fan of Bitless Bridles although I completely understand riding in them. I rode in a Bosal for Years and that is the ultimate Bitless, however, nothing beats a Bit for Security.
Best of Luck
 

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Not Lol. Coles and Woolworths make the money not the farmer, buy all parts of a cattle beast and it would cost you around $3500 at the supermarket the farmer gets around $3.30 a kilo (dead weight so thats 50% of the beast) which equates to around $700 to $800 for a 24Month old grass fed animal that has in most cases been dehorned, castrated, drenched , flytagged (I could go on). Its hard work and you certainly do not get rich doing it unless you have a huge property out west and even then you make huge losses in the bad years with drought or flood. I only run 120 head on 300 Acres and if my partner did not work off farm and fix tractors I certainly would not be buying your DVD's or a horse for

I just wish People would stop shopping there :( The Damage being done to the fabric of our Society will only be realized by the "Sheep" in Years to come but I can see it now. Good Luck

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Hi John,
Just a pix of Cruze & his mum, one week after first time float training.
This is him on his second time in and first time travelling into town and back.
Both times just jump onto tailgate then walked in like a pro.
He had his safety neck collar on in case and a seat belt on. (SAFETY BELT)
Thanks again for your help and DVDs.
Wishing you, Linda & your family all the best for xmas.

Caro
 

He's not so smart now, is he Caro :) Well done Girl. You should take a Bow.!! Just a hint, In a Float, I recommend using a crap webbing halter and Pony Club Lead Rops, in case of and to guard against bad Float design, (but I don't do it myself,,,,,,, I have a safe Float and they are properly trained :) As I have been attempting to tell me Facebook Friends this Week, "Train them properly and Danger is eliminated" Now for the 7 Games. Regards

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Hi, i'm just writing in regards to a horse that i have recently started working and i was just wondering if you could help. The horse is a 6 year old Thoroughbred mare. I have been working with her on the ground for a few weks now, under saddle and everything seemed to be fine, only a few crowhops when i ran her around the yard with the saddle on which is to be expected from a freshly broken horse. As i started progressing with her, she became more and more stubborn. When i asked her to sidepass (on the ground using my hand) she just planted herself and refused to move. I eventually got her doing it 100% on what it was, just using a nice soft roller spur in my hand applying hardly any pressure at all. The other day when i decided that she was ready to ride (my Dad was on his mare that has been trained as a pick up horse, so if anything were to go wrong, he would be able to help me) i got on and she was fine. Dad was holding her bridle and we started to get her to walk off and all she wanted to do was buck. After a while i dismounted and ran her around the yard until she faced up. I got back on and tried again but she just spread her legs as wide as they would go and refused to move. The mare that my Dad was on has done a lot of cattle work and was even trying to just push the mare that i was off balance to get her to walk off but she was not strong enough :)

In the paddock with the other horses, the mare that i am on is the alpha female. We thought that this might be some of the reason she is trying to have it over me, so we took her away from the others and since there has been a huge change in her attitude. She is starting to come to terms with the fact that man is boss. (Getting her to sidepass and listen to basic natural aids was a result of taking her away from the other horses.)

I have not ridden her since but i have been working on the ground with her a lot, leaving it on a good note each time i finish. I was wondering if you could help me find a solution as to what i could do to try and get her to walk foward when i am mounted. I really do not want to have to resort to being aggressive with her as i know there has to be other ways to deal with this situation.

Thankyou and Kind Regards,
Grace
 

Hi Grace. A technical one ey? In my experience, I have not found such situations that would point to a Horse being stubborn, naughty or domineering during this experience. Rather, confused. Horses want to please us and 99.9% of Problems with Horses being "Naughty" is as a result of Confusion or Pain. Hence "Horses with People Problems" Teach her the 7 Games and get up to the Circling and Driving Games. Then, in the round pen, get on her and ask her to walk on with voice and light pulsaing leg. No movement, get your Dad (who must be in proper position) to swing the end of his lead rope on zone 4 on a scale of zero to 10 until she moves. Only walk 2 paces and reward the living daylites out of her. Make a fuss over her. Relax, sit there for 2 minutes, then repeat. She will move. The association of ideas of voice and little leg will do it every time and break the log jam./ Well done and regards.

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John

A few years ago I bought your DVD on hobbles. I think it is top class and I have done it to many mature horses, but I never had an opportunity to do it to a foal until now, I have a 6 month old filly sport horse. I know how to hobble her with front leg hobbles.

1. Once she is front leg hobbled how long should I leave her hobbled in the sand arena?
2. How often should she be hobbled every week - I will have her in for the next 4 months or so, over the winter.
3. Should I stay with her while hobbled. ?

Your guidance would be appreciated.

Regards

Jimmy,
Ireland
 

Hi Jimmy.

  1. Half an Hour first up.
  2. Every Day for half an Hour or whenever you can. At least once a Week after the Foal has it down Pat but the more the safer.
  3. You must always be with them and you will remember from the DVD, when introducing them on the first Day, THEY MUST BE ON A LEAD ROPE and not released until they have it worked out and are walking around cool.
  4. Should you stay once it is old Hat? Doesn't matter at all but of course, common sense and good management is the order of the Day. Good facilities being the Key and no Traps. After a Week, leave the lead rope dragging as well. Yes, the Foal will get wrapped up around the hobbles but read my Lips, that's what makes the top Horse and the one Safe in the future, not only by themselves but with Riders on. Get a foot stuck in a stirrup and these are the one's that will stop and SAVE YOUR LIFE as Mrs. HP has already had Happen.

I hope you are having an influence on Horsemanship Professionalism in Ireland as when I watch Youtube Vids, a lot of it looks like it's from the Dark Ages in Medieval England????  Regards

 

27TH NOVEMBER, 2011

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

It has been an emotional and draining Week for us all.

Sadly, I have to tell you that Nathan has been seriously injured and wil be out of action for a few Weeks. He was lunging a Clydie who was there because the Dentists couldn't do his Teeth and he needed remouthing and he suddenly double barrelled Nathan, who put his arm up to protect his Chest and received a broken Arm, which is being operated on this Morning. We wish him all the best in his recovery and apologize to those who have been put out by this. he will however be walking around the Place next Week, assisting People with their own training of Young One's for after all, it is only a broken arm :)

LATE NEWS

he was due for an operation this Morning, then the afternoon and then this evening. No doubt put back on the waiting list by Scum Bags stabbing each other or driving too piddled on Saturday Night and that really peeves me. They should be left on Beds in the Corridors and the genuine People put through first.

'Councillor' for instance, has ironically just purchased a Clydie Cross for her new Man and so Nathan will talk the New Man through the Ground Breaking in of the Horse, from his Deck Chair. Remember, Amateurs are eminently capable of Breaking in Horses under supervision and guidance of a Professional and more should do this in fact. Too many rely upon Professionals for the job and thus miss out on the most satisfying achievements on offer. When you Break in a Horse, you get that bonding happening, which the Trainer gets but then the Owner has to win later. (Providing the Trainer is a good one) Obviously and naturally, the Horses are going to trust and give themselves to the first Trainer, over the Owner, who may even be sitting there but who miss out on a big chance. So People with Unbroken Horses should avail themselves with the opportunity to Float them to Gainsborough in the next few Months and be taught from the ground by Nathan while he is out of action.

Our thanks to Janice for her wonderful work in looking after all the Stable matters at Gainsborough, especially now that Nathan is temporarily out of action.

 

REMEMBER THE 'STUD'

Here he is only 4 Years ago with his Standardbred as he was learning to Ride. A couple of Weeks ago, he won best Male Rider at Champion of Champions Show South Australia and has now left Gainsborough to be a Groom and Rider for Bret Parbury. Well done Chris and we wish you all the best. Yep, I know, I could have put a better one up but you didn't send it as promised :) So you get the Learner Rider Photo hahahahaha

Of course, yet another Person entering the Industry on the back of a Standardbred. Go the Standies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......Learn to Ride and Live to tell the Tail.

 

DOB IN A TOOL

Then, a Mega War broke out on my Facebook Wall, after I was asked to try and assist this poor Horse that was living locally but was being neglected by a Young Lady who is allegedly known as a "Serial Pest" when it comes to the care of Horses and yet another multiple owner of Horses where clearly at the Age of 18 or close, cannot afford to care for them. Here is what she allowed to happen to one of her Horses over the past couple of Months as clearly, that is the age of the injury.

There was a massive and emotional reaction to my putting this on Facebook, with almost 600 Posts, many calling for the Head of the young Lady, who it is said by many in private to me, brought a lot of the vitriolic comments aimed at her, upon herself because of past deeds.

HORSE OWNERSHIP

This case highlights once more, the desperate need for a License to own a Horse in this Country for this sort of Cruelty is rampant throughout the Country. In fact, I call for an 8 Weeks, 3 Hour per Week Night Course at T.A.F.E. to equip People to actually properly understand the responsibilities of Horse Ownership and care and indeed the care of Land. The Human Breed is deteriorating rapidly in our Society and as they do, they move more and more to the Ownership of Animals as a psychological driven attempt to find support, friendship or whatever else it is that they search for. However, many of them are from the Lower Socio Economic areas of our Cities and it has become most clear to me over the Years and most recently at Gainsborough again, that many of these People are driven to own 'Multiple Horses" even though they struggle to afford even One. This Young Lady is another one and it is said that she owned 4, had purchased another Horse since the injury to this Poor Horse and a New Saddle as well. Yet she would not or could not properly care for this Horse. Recently, we kicked out another of these People, who also owned 3 or 4 Horses, professed to be a wonderful Horse Owner and lives on Horse Forums as a most responsible Person and yet was one of the worst Horse Owners ever to pass through Gainsborough with Rugs on to cover exposed Ribs and Horses being over fed on Pay Days and starved later in the Pay cycle. It has to stop.

THE RSPCA

This Organization lacks the Legislative Teeth to protect Horses and the "Protection against the Cruelty to Animals" part of the Creed, does not include Horses for the R.S.P.C.A. is pretty Bankrupt when it comes to looking after Horses. Those Tens of Thousands of emotional People who get involved in the "Soap Opera" of such an event, need to sit down and put together a proper campaign to get the Laws changed, for the betterment of Horses everywhere.

Ironically, the young Lass had contacted Mrs. HP recently, to book in for Riding Lessons and in fact be on the waiting list to agist at Gainsborough. Thus showing the dreaming that these People do when they clearly cannot afford it.

I repeat however, that those who sunk the Boots throughout the emotional debate, should turn their attention to the Govt and to stop wasting their energy on Soap Opera. Will it happen? I doubt it.

 

LISTEN TO YOUR HORSES

An interesting perspective from a Vet. This one is starting to get there a bit.

 

 

NEWS OF THE DAY

 

BOLTING HORSE DEATH UK

AN internationally-renowned equestrian has died after a fall from his horse.

Tony Dampier, aged 75, of Hollins Lane, Bury, sustained head injuries in the accident when he was riding in Norden last Thursday.

The family believe a dog may have run in front of the horse, causing it to bolt.

Mr Dampier was taken to the Royal Oldham Hospital where he died the following day.

He was a highly professional and respected horseman and also an accomplished photographer, artist and author. He leaves a wife, Barbara, four daughters and a son. His equine interest stemmed from the fact that his family kept working horses when he was a child. Mr Dampier, originally from Prestwich, served with the Household Cavalry for three years during National Service.

Later, he established the well-known Smethurst Hall stables in Birtle. His son, Matt, said: “He was involved in the buying, selling and breaking in of horses as well as training and teaching.”

When the reputation for his equestrian expertise grew, he moved to Cyprus where he ran a huge riding school for four years. Later, he worked in Oman and helped operate a 500-horse cavalry regiment on behalf of its army.

Matt added: “Inbetween he travelled all over the place, including the United States and Germany. People hired him to basically travel around to look for and to buy horses.”

After a gap of a number of years, Mr Dampier returned to Smethurst Hall where he set up a riding school in 1995. Two years later, he was involved in the opening and running of Castlebrook Stables in Unsworth. Although he was not running stables prior to his death, he was still heavily involved in equestrian-related work. Just two weeks ago, he had travelled to Portugal.

Matt said: “He freelanced at riding schools all over the North West and was very big on the horse show judging circuit. He was also involved in the Andalusian Society and carriage driving.”

Mr Dampier had two books published, The Working Horses of Manchester, and A Reckless Ride which chronicled his life around horses.

Matt added: “Dad always said that the day he retired would be the day he died. He died doing something that he loved.”

The funeral details have not yet been announced.

 


GERMAN AUCTIONS RIDER IN CRITICAL CONDITION

At the 2011 Hanoverian November Auction in Verden, Germany, on Saturday 12 November 2011, one of the auction team riders fell off her horse and was brought to the hospital in critical condition.
Auction rider Melanie Wienand fell off a young horse when it shied and bolted from the flower decorations in the arena, where 3,000 people were attending the auction. She crashed her head on the ground, which made lose consciousness straight away. Wienand wore a helmet which cracked upon impact. Doctors in the audience gave her first aid until an ambulance arrived. She was taken to the hospital in Rotenburg, where she arrived in critical condition.
Auction manager Jorg-Wilhelm Wegener confirmed to a Weser Ems newspaper yesterday that the young rider is in the intensive care unit.
One month ago the 31-year old Wienand rode auction horse Lemony's Nicket when it sold for 900,000 euro to the U.S.A.
Remarkably, for the first time the Verden auction riders were actually wearing helmets during the auction, which is a new policy as before helmets were not mandatory. During the photography session for the each auction catalog the riders do not wear a helmet. In the past the riders wore no helmets during the auction but were sometimes seen with top hats. They only had helmets on for the video-taped training sessions.

Fraudulent horse seller wins appeal

A woman who sold "healthy" horses to buyers who later discovered them to be old, malnourished and unable to be ridden has had her sentence cut on appeal.

Annie Paivi Edwards was convicted after trial in the Brisbane District Court on five counts of dishonestly obtaining a benefit.

The 44-year-old from Jimboomba, southwest of Brisbane, was sentenced in February to two years' jail, with an order that she be released on parole on February 20, 2012.

She was also ordered to pay $8200 compensation to the buyers of the horses.

During the trial, the court heard Edwards had dishonestly taken advantage of the buyers by purchasing horses from sales and then passing them off as being better than they were.

When the horses were delivered, the buyers discovered them to be in appalling condition. At least one had to be euthanased immediately.

The court heard Edwards fobbed off each complainant by avoiding communications and by giving false explanations, including using a fake name for some of her dealings.

Edwards took her case to the Court of Appeal in Brisbane earlier this month, arguing her conviction was unsound and that her sentence should be reduced.

In a written judgment published on Tuesday, the Court of Appeal rejected the arguments against conviction, ruling the evidence supported the jury's guilty verdicts.

However the court agreed to bring Edwards' parole date forward after hearing submissions that her young family had suffered financial and emotional consequences as a result of her being in jail.

Edwards will now be released on parole at the end of the week.

this brings a new perspective to Horse Selling for obviously the 'Criminal Law Consolidation Act' has been brought into play and probably the offence of "False Pretences" A very interesting outcome which would surely encompass many other Horse Dealers that are currently operating in this Country.


LAKETON TOWNSHIP —

A gory Nov. 19 accident left Joel Britton covered in horse blood and feces and stunned his three young daughters traveling with him.
Britton said his family is lucky to have survived the horrific event.
"It was horrible," he said. "But the most important thing is we walked away from it."
Britton said he was with his three daughters — ages 2, 4 and 6 — traveling westbound on the 1100 block of West River Road when a horse “stepped right in front of” his Chrysler mini-van in “pitch black” darkness.
“The horse's head ripped through the windshield," Britton said. "I felt the horse next to me, near my arm. I held the steering wheel tight and the airbag kind of pushed the horse and windshield off me.
"Everything happened so fast. I turned and yelled to my girls to see if they were OK, and my 2-year-old said nothing.”
His youngest daughter, “covered in guts and feces,” sat motionless behind a broken piece of glass in the back seat.
Britton, 34, feared the worst.
“I got out and opened the door and she didn't answer me," he said. "She was sitting there in shock. For a second I thought I lost her. That was the worst part of the accident.”
The accident occurred around 6:51 p.m. at the corner of Hyde Park Road while Britton was driving from his brother's house back to their home after picking up a pizza. His wife was out of town shopping and he was looking forward to a night with just his girls.
The accident occurred five miles from his home at 5116 W. River in Fruitland Township.
"If it wasn't for the safety features of the Chrysler ... I mean, it's the reason we're still alive. I'm grateful for that," he said.
Just when Britton thought the incident was over, a pick-up truck traveling the other direction was about to hit two other stray horses that belonged to the same owner as the horse Britton had struck.
“I was waving my arms, my lights were out and then the truck ... hit the other two,” Britton said.
Britton couldn't believe it. He said he quickly tried to shield his daughters from the bloody scene.
His brother responded to the scene and Britton moved the girls into his vehicle. A volunteer firefighter who lives in that area heard the crash and called 911.
Muskegon County Sheriff Dean Roesler said the investigation into the accident is ongoing and it isn't clear just how the animals managed to get out of their padlocked property.
Britton said a man who claimed to be an owner of the stray horses showed up at the scene that night, and indicated his four horses had been loose earlier that same day.
Britton said the horse owner should have done more to keep them secured and feels 911 should have been called when they escaped the first time.
"Instead of having a buddy out looking for the horses, they should have called police and told them they were loose," he said.
The horses are owned by Louise Anne Shirey, according to the sheriff's office accident report. A call to Shirey hadn't been returned as of late Friday.

 

Grand Forks woman injured when car hits horse
 

CROOKSTON, Minn. – A Grand Forks woman suffered minor injuries when her car hit a horse east of here Thursday, the Minnesota State Patrol reported.

Joanne M. Butterfield, 50, was driving westbound on U.S. Trunk Highway 2 east of Crookston when her car collided with the horse about 8:31 p.m., the Patrol reported.

There was no information available on the condition of the horse or any other particulars of the accident in the Patrol report.

The Polk County Sheriff’s Office assisted at the scene of the crash, the Patrol reported.

A spokeswoman for the Sheriff’s Office said she had no further information on the accident.

 

Horse vs. Car Accident on I-64 in Albemarle

Traffic is flowing on Interstate 64 Thursday night after a vehicle struck a horse near mile marker 129. State police say a Nissan SUV was traveling west when it encountered two horses in the travel lanes.

The driver, a 62-year-old Lynchburg man, was unable to brake in time and struck one of the horses in the left lane. The horse died at the scene. State police determined the horses escaped from a nearby farm. The owner was contacted and the second horse safely returned to the farm.

The driver and his wife were taken to the University of Virginia Medical Center with serious but non-life threatening injuries. No charges will be filed.

 

 

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LETTER OF THE DAY

Hi ,
I just purchases your DVD on halter breaking , and i have found it most helpful , but i am still having having problems with my foal, with him rearing up ( mainly behind you) and also the biting, i have had horses for many years but i have never had a foal. I no i need to be putting a stop to this but unsure how heavy handed to be, i do no want to make him head shy. I have thought about getting some hobbles for him, but again unsure. I need to fix these issue's as he is at my parents place and my mum is scared to goo into his paddock.
Also he is 4weeks old and starting to pick food, but the mare wont share, when do start to give him feed and what should i give him.
Hoping you can help me with these problems, Thanks Lee

Hi Lee.

If you go back down this page a couple of Weeks, you will see an identical letter where the Owner successfully turned it around and then the other Night again, with the progress. 

It is not a matter of being 'heavy handed' Lee but just being assertive and giving the Foal directions to follow and at the same time be training the Foal for the future. They won't be biting or rearing if they are thinking and wondering what is going to be your next instruction. As with this Colt here.

 

 You should now be in a NH Lead Rope with a Pony Tie Up Halter and be training him the 7 Games, the Yo Yo Game of course to get him following you 2 metres behind right now. You should immediately Fully Leg Restraint Train him which will remove him from his box. He should tie up, drag lead ropes and the worx and jerx.

The biggest barrier I find People face here is if they are of the habit to lead Horses by the Beard for that system of leading and ground manners which comes from the British Horse Society and Pony Club, automatically ensures they are up too close and personal and making you an instant Target for biting and being reared upon. It guarantees a fight and of course we cannot win fights with Horses.

Regards
 

 

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LETTERS OF THE DAY

Lil at Dilute State Champs on Sunday 20/11/11 (with Peter and Gail Rossington, QLD, as Judge and Steward of Ring 1)
What a good possum she was

Supreme Led Exhibit of Show (State Champion Led)
Champion Ridden Exhibit of Show (State Champion Ridden)
Betty Hosking Memorial Trophy sponsored by Doralmir Park Pony Stud for Supreme Dilute of Show
 

Congrats to Lil Jenni. She is a wonderful Horse!!!!

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I just ordered your leg restraints video.

One thing I would like to mention is that I think it would be very helpful to people if you mentioned bridle problems in the title of the ear shy video clips on youtube. I know I checked all of your youtube videos before I emailed you. I have found the answer to everything I needed in the past that wasn't covered in the videos I have of yours there. I didn't even think to look at ear shy. I think many people could be in the mess I was and not think to click on ear shy. If they didn't bother to email you they might end up trying something like hay string on top gums like I was thinking of trying.

Thanks again for all of your helpful videos.
 

This DVD should solve your problems Chris.

Wish I would of emailed you months ago. Got the video Friday. Fixed the bridling problem and a foot handling problem I didn't even ask you about in no time.

Thanks

Well done Chris. Thanks


I have a horse that is about 22months old , I have been doing the mouthing asper the dvd i got from you and that is going well. The problem i have is that the horse has a real phobia about having its feet picked up. When i go to touch the front feet the horse goes to bite me and also the tries to strike with the back foot. any thoughts
andrew

Easy Andrew. For the better training of the Horse, for its protection throughout Life from Fences and for your personal safety, first ‘Leg Restraint Train’ it.

Horses that are not are never good shoeing Horses and never have the chance of kicking Humans removed.

regards

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Since floating has come up on your page I was hoping you could help with my issue. I have had my 17hh WB/TB for 3 1/2 mths now. Previously he was loaded into very small straight load & angle load floats causing him to constanly paw when in the floats (he looked uncomfortable in them). I decided to get a horse float built to suit "HIM"! I put extra large front windows + side windows in, increased the bay length (he has plenty now), added an extra 1 1/2 foot of space in front of the chest bars, increase the internal height to 7'6". I have spent alot of time being patient with him practicing loading on & off, which he now loads on perfectly & off is still a little rushed but we are working together on that. Problem is he still paws constantly when not in motion and still arrives at each destination nervous & sweaty. I am an extremely cautious driver and drive to the conditions for the horse. What other tips could you recommend for the pawing & to get him to become more settled floating? Any help is greatly appreciated

You look like a lovely Couple. Time heals providing everything is in place and there are ZERO stuff ups. However, I take it the Horse is an OTTB???? If he is, he comes with the mental anguish and it is a progressive thing to fix their minds. Separation anxiety is one of the big problems and that may be going on in his mind, in the float. So you need to build on other things. All of these Horses need to be fully leg restraints trained to teach patience, thinking, coolness, ridding of panic, accepting the world, accepting the worse and understanding. So you now need to stop the pawing. Tie a strap around above his knee and tie a string with a large NUT to that, so it hits him half way down the cannon bone if he paws. See if he can work out his own relief and give him something else to think about. but hobble training is highly important. I cannot explain it here but there would be 50 off shutes of positive things. How much was that Float. ??? I can't believe it has a leg to the centre divider????????? Brain dead.

cheers

I know...I asked about the leg divider being elimimated but due to the weight of the divider it would cause alot of strain on the pivot area at the front. My float was $15,000.
Tark is a Warmblood/Thoroughbred (more WB). He has NEVER raced, & was bred as an eventer. He was brough into work late (at 5yrs) and has not been heavy jumped or competed until he matured around 7yrs old. I don't have any seperation axiety problems when we ride out alone, or tie up to float at comp days. I do occationally travel with a friends horse in with us and he will still paw, but not as dramatically! It only seems to be more prevelant when we are driving slowly or stopped. He gets tied up at home and I have never had him paw then? He was previously hobbled when floated by the previous owner but I DO NOT want to do this. I will try the string & nut while we are at home and see if we are able to get some results.
I thank you for your time, and will keep you informed on how I go.


Just want to say a BIG thank you for your fantastic advice on my horse pawing in the float. He now travels a lot more calmly and seems happier in his traveling. Thank you

My Pleasure.

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Problem still getting the horse to stand still when mounting from a block due to injury.(Also better for the horse) Horse consistently moves away. I have done sending it in a quick circle around the block each time it does it, and I have done backing it up. I use pressure release, i praise it when it comes to a halt , but it just won't stand still. It is a very calm easy horse, so why? Please help.
Thanks,
KIka

(P.S Not all english hang onto their reins you know - some of us have learnt natural horsemanship skills)!=

We must always be mindful as to why Horses do this. It could be because of the extra pressure being put on the wither due to your disability? Put the Horse against a Fence or Shed. Position your Mounting Block or rather have someone else position it for they are Hell dangerous things once you Mount. Especially with one of these Horses. One of the most dangerous things in the Horse Industry is the Half a Million Stolen Milk Crates just waiting for a Hoof to go through the Centre of them.

Have your reins Loopy and equal. Go to Mount. As the Horse moves forward, instantly pick up the reins and back the Horse up and turn it loose. Repeat 100 times. Horse fixed. Regards

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Hi John,

Recently I read an article you had written on "constructing the dressage arena." I was quite impressed with your ideas, and your practical solutions to the problems that may be encountered. I was hoping you would be prepared to offer me some advice regarding the construction of a horse yard. Specifically I would like to know what would be an appropriate size and a also what would you recommend as a suitable surface for the yard.

Below I have provided some information to give you an idea of how I wish to use the yard and the problems I need to overcome.

I live on 10 acres, in Kurrajong, north west of Sydney. The land has a consistent slope, it drops one metre in seven, with a north easterly aspect. The soil is clay and does not drain well, but with the slope most of the water just runs off. I wish to have a couple of paddocks linked by a yard that contains a shelter. The shelter is currently under construction, it will be enclosed on 3 sides and has a floor area of 7.2 m x 4 m.

There will be two horses, and they will have access to the the yard with the shelter and alternately one or another of the paddocks. In wet conditions I may wish to shut the horses in the yard to save the paddock from getting too chopped up.

My concerns are that
• the yard needs to be big enough and of a suitable shape so that one horse can not trap the other and bully it and that the horses have enough room to move about if they are held in the yard for a few days.
• the surface needs to remain safe (not slippery) in the wet
• erosion from the yard is eliminated or negligible
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated

Regards
Robyn

The first observation I would make Robyn is that the slope of the Land is not suitable for Horse Keeping. Such Country is commonly known as 'Ringbone Land' for Horses weren't designed to be on slopes like that.

I take it therefore that your Yard area is going to be Bulldozed to be flat for if it was not suitable for such, I would be selling the Property and finding one fair on my Horses.

The Yard should have a 300mm base of Quarry Rubble, the rougher the better and not necessarily 20mm Rubble. I mean rubble and rocks up to 300mm, it matters not as it all goes down flat.

The Area size should be then a minimum of 25 x 25 Metres then, given the protection from being beaten up. Best of Luck

Hi John,

Thank you so much for your time and information. It confirms why I currently have my horse on agistment and have resisted the pressure from my husband to bring him home. My husband thinks it will save money to have him here, where we live.

Thanks again
Robyn
 

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FISH TAIL HORSE FLOATS

Hi John, I just read on your site that when a trailer/float fishtails you should accelerate and then slow down. You may be able to test both theories i.e. accelerate or foot off accelerator if you have time.

I maybe one of Oz's most involved drivers in fishtailing prangs having been involved in or witnessing five, please do not accelerate, it exacerbates the problem, the horses would be thrown further to the rear of float, instead; foot off accelerator until it slows then stop and adjust your load usually caused by being too heavy on at the rear. If you cannot adjust the load drive at no more than 30 kph until you reach your destination.

I know we are all told when learning to drive, to accelerate to pull the trailer straight but trust me it does not work. As an ex copper I attended many fishtail type trailer accidents and in every case the drivers said accelerating worsened the problem.
All the best regards Bill

Thanks Bill.
 

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Why is it that all the training always has to refer to saddle work?
I have a standardbred that has been mistreated in the past and even though he was previously sadlle trained now will not allow a rider , even flinches as I'm putting the harness sadlle up over him. He seems to enjoy going out bush in harness and as I have trouble riding due to a previous hip injury I use him as a cart horse.
Seems that the only training info I can find for harness is either racing or carriage driving competition, and not much of that. Maybe somebody need to look into the people who like to spend time out on the trail with their horse but due to either the horse or the rider being uncomfotable with saddle work utilise a buggy of some type. Properly set up these put less pressure on a horses back, and there are a lot of standardbreds out there who love their harness work.
Phil

I don't know Phil and I don't go searching for it so I wasn't aware of that. Obviously the Harness Industry are not as prolific in writing about such things as our side. You should write to some of them and ask them to write some articles or do some videos. Surely there would be help on youtube????  I just had a quiick look and there are many in fact. Regards


 

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To HP,

I have just begun to bring back into work after a veeeery long time, a 12yo quarterhorse gelding. He is to be pleasure-ridden but the first ride (after finding a gullet and girth to match his tabletop back and barrel belly) revealed rudimentory training. His owner tells me that his vice can be rearing powerfully and he has the strangest personality of any horse I've ever met- I get the feeling he is lonely and lacking in inter-horse skills as he has no sense of 'space'. Being built like a hairy red tank doesnt help.
It also feels as though he is extremely set in his ways and is not used to any form of mental or physical stimulation, however watching him in his huge and isolated paddock reveals occasional crazy spurts (which are a little refreshing). You could describe him as 'stagnant'.
I was wondering if you had any tips on bringing him back into work, introducing him to other horses and ways to work on the ground and in the saddle with a horse who can be bull-ish and perhaps isnt sure what a horse is?

Thanks, Georgia

P.S despite all of this, he is a very sweet and quiet boy and a great introduction to quarterhorses for me :)
 

I would suggest Georgia, that he, like so many of this Breed, may be a touch 'broken spirited', caused by an over aggressive Training Regime when Younger. I meet it regularly. The Rearing may be linked to this in some way and perhaps memories of Spurs and now a failure to go forward. Yes, a failure to go forward, caused by an over use of Spurs, for that is what happens.

The winning of the Heart through respect and friendship is important, together with not much pressure for a while and properly preparing the Horse for whatever work it is destined for because so many object for they are obese and then suddenly get told to work like an athlete. For the space problem, of course teach him the 7 Games.  Regards

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Thanks for your article. my name is Sally  and have owned and been competing lots of horses over the past 40years. I am also a coach of showjump riders and have recently purchased a welsh cob cross T bred 5yo geld that has recently started rearing. I want to persist with him as he is a very talented horse, but i believe that you would put him in the naughty category and dont know where to go from here .He makes the excuse to rear when he reacts to situations of excitement eg. horse galloping in nearby paddock or a horse leaving him on the trail. I have asked many friends for advice but yours seems to make a lot of sense and I thought you may be able to give me some help.

Not good Sally. Obviously there would need to be much more information required to get to the bottom of this one. Like, the time line of when you purchased the Horse, how long have you had it, how long did it not rear, why the change? You first have to eliminate the Veterinary with these Horses as rearing is basically the ultimate communication of the "not naughty horse" and "listening' to them will reveal the answers. Photos, especially side on and a video of course, would be very handy. There can be a number of reasons for this behaviour but which is it? Regards

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Hi,

I just brought a five yr old quarter horse, he is broken and basic training. I am trying to train him to I can eventually do hacking or dressage with him. Just lately he has been trotting sideways. I have tried everything to correct him but he is not listening to me.

Please help.

Kind regards,
Amber

Hi Amber. Difficult to answer with the short story you gave but such things can only be either of the following:

  • Veterinary
  • Confusion
  • Jammed up and not allowed forward
  • Rider uneven in posture or strength of Leg.
  • Teeth need doing.
  • Saddle Fit problem.

Over to you now for the investigation and to reflect upon the situation, given you know more about the Horse than I. Best of Luck.
 

 

20TH NOVEMBER, 2011

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

Hi Folks. Hope you are all well.

Had a wonderful Day yesterday, at the Dressage and for the first start for Mrs. HP's new Young Horse, 'Snip" It is always very Cute watching them go along to the Competition and how they handle it. He was a Star and was not phased at all. Where you normally find Young Horses being very over awed in the warm up arena, Field Shy and intimidated, he was not and pleasingly, even made a seasoned Competitor shy away from him as he stormed through the Centre. That is pleasing to see for it exuded 'confidence'  'boldness' and 'Power' to be able to intimidate another Horse. Donner Bella had that presence of course as it was like a 'Freight Train' coming through but to see a first time out Young Horse be able to do it was good. I don't mean to be worrying other Horses but you know what I mean.

Anyhow, he won both his tests and I reckon he knew it too :) Meanwhile, Mr. Quiet Achiever went about his work with the normal consistancy and yet again rose up the level of training with a very difficult Test indeed. I am quite amazed at the degree of difficulty of the Elementary (3rd Level) Tests now. They seem almost as hard as some of the High Tests. Like Canter up the Centre Line, Canter/Walk and change of lead to Canter, on the straight towards the Judge and Halt. Anyhow, he was also a Star and won too. Next start Medium or 4th Level as his Flying Changes are already there.  Lovely Day at the wonderful Southern Vales Dressage Club which is being Targeted for closure by the Noarlunga Council and replaced with Soccer Pitches.

We spent the Week at "Gainsborough' and it was full on. I had a Week of Maintainance and the construction of a third Round Pen (16 Metres) for Shannon Wendt and the Adelaide Riding Academy. 1,000 Tones of Fill went into it and I thank Garden Grove Supplies for their assistance.

Mrs. HP Taught lessons through the Week and trained her Horses as we took them with us.

Nathan is very busy but seen here in the Photo is a Horse that came for Mrs. HP, to be re-started after a 8 Month break. We broke him in before. I see he hasn't forgotten anything. He is a funny Boy this one. Australian Stock Horse who should be in the Circus :)

Another young one just started and here we have the Owner venturing out around the property for her first ride alone, whilst I go on Foot, talking her through scenarios as they arise and instilling boldness into her and then the Horse of course. Went well and she is very Happy.

Gainsborough is stacked at the moment, with a waiting list and I want to welcome some of the new Agistees who have replaced the 'Ferals'. One of them, a lovely Lady from Kangaroo Island, has a couple of Horses that have not been ridden for a while, this one below being one of them, since she got Bucked off on the Beach (not the fault of the Horse) when black Sea Weed frightened him in the Shallows. Anyhow, lovely Boy and she has been riding him around the place since this, quite happily and with a big Grin on her Face. She also has a lovely Standie who looks like a Stock Horse and he too was checked out by Nathan. Plenty of Service and support at Gainsborough these Days, which is how it should be.

 

Here we have another new one and this lovely big Warmblood came with very little Handling for this Day and Age. Lot of Fear. The Studs that turn out such Horses really do their Young One's a great injustice as it makes the Breaking in process a much more fearful process than it should be and also makes it a more expensive one for it slows everything down to suit the Horse. Anyhow, here he is getting his stockwhip and hobble training.

 

I noted that the Mature Aged Lady Rider on the Young Horse above here, was wearing these, which I questioned her about. Ariet Riding Boots.

Now it is amazing these Days, how Businesses can 'Spin Doctor' Marketing Talk to make People believe anything. I am sorry but don't tell me that these are Safe for Riding. They are downright Dangerous in my opinion and I warn against them. Don't be fooled by the New Age smooth words Folks. Watch out for your Lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DONNER DUCCIO

 We had a visit from yet another young Duccio Horse and true to form, what a stunner. Mrs. Karen Lowdns of www.equineart.com.au broke her in herself and is starting Eventing with her.

 

HORSELAW

You may remember the Queensland Vet who withdrew his Services from a Local Endurance Riders Club and that of an Associate Vet, because a Lass objected to his Account whereby he sold a Horse to her, it got hurt before delivery and was walking around with a broken Leg for 18 Days before being put down without advising her and sending her a big Bill???? Well the Vet Board have Summonsed him and congratulations to them as well. The other Vet should be next imho.

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NEWS OF THE DAY

HORSE DEATH

Yesterday, on the way to the Southern Vales Dressage where we were, a Poor Young Lady lost control of her Float, which began to Fish Tail, resulting in the Float tipping over and spitting both Horses out the back over the Ramp. One was Dead instantly and unknown injuries to the other.

The key to such a happening is to NEVER brake but to temporarily accelarate until the Float is stabilized and then slow down moderately. The other key is to check the maintenance and age of your Floats as the older they are the more dangerous.

 

Linda Parelli & Lauren Barwick's West point Dies
Friday 18 November 2011

Linda's super horse West Point was involved in a tragic accident on Wednesday, November 16 and unfortunately passed away. We all know how difficult it is to lose a partner, equine or otherwise. All of us at Parelli are touched by the outpouring of sympathy surrounding this tragedy, and we truly appreciate the Parelli community coming together to support Linda during this difficult time.

West Point was a truly magnificent horse who radiated presence and charisma wherever he went. He came to Linda through Lauren Barwick, 4-Star Parelli Professional and Paralympic dressage rider. Lauren found him when looking for her next competition horse, but didn't realize at the time how "heavy" his baggage was. West Point was a well-bred and talented dressage horse who was pushed hard in training and competition, which resulted in serious confidence issues.

Lauren and other mastery students worked hard to put a solid foundation on him, and Linda came in for Level 4 to help him with his issues through the Game of Contact. They did so well together that Lauren offered West Point to Linda. Since then, Linda and West Point developed an incredible bond and advanced well into the Game of Contact.

We are all sad to have to say goodbye to such a promising partner, but his legacy lives on in the countless horses and humans who will benefit from what he taught Linda. Rest in peace, West Point

 

THE IRISH HORSE MARKETS.

 


OSHP Investigating Crash that Killed 2 Men, Horse

  DORSET TOWNSHIP, Ohio— Two local men are dead after a chain reaction accident that highway patrol troopers call one of the most unusual they have investigated.

The accident was set into motion by a horse that broke away from its owner in Ashtabula County's Dorset Township.

It started just after 9 p.m. Friday night, when a car driven by 45-year-old Daniel Brown, of Dorset, struck a horse running in the road on State Route 193. Brown and the horse were killed instantly.

Then, 33-year-old Bill Gibson's pick-up approached the accident scene in the dark. He swerved to avoid the wreckage in the road, overturned and died when his truck landed on a guardrail.

Gibson, of Geneva, leaves behind a one-year-old son, and his wife is due to deliver their second child in December.

His widow called the circumstances surrounding the accident "surreal."

"I can't believe it happened still, like it's just a dream, and some day I'm going to wake up and he'll be back, walking through the door and everything will be fine," said a grief-stricken Stacie Gibson at the scene of the accident. "(Gibson's children) meant the world to him. He was an awesome father. His son adores him. He woke up this morning asking for daddy."

Investigators say the horse belonged to an Amish family who were apparently trying to sell it at an auction in Dorset on Friday night, when it broke free and started running back home.

Dorset Township resident Al Sharp says the Amish family and one of their friends tried in vain to warn other motorists about the horse in the road.

"There was another person in the car following them, trying to keep people alerted, you know, flashing its lights, four ways on, trying to warn people that the horse was out there," said Sharp.

"Mr. Brown is probably sitting there seeing someone flashing his lights, may have been thinking, 'Hey, I've got my bright lights on, or maybe they're broke down, or there's a police officer ahead,' or something of that nature. We don't know exactly what he thought. More than likely, he wasn't paying much attention to what was directly ahead of him, which was the horse," said Ohio State Highway Patrol Trooper Jason Hayes.

The Ashtabula post of the OSHP are now assessing whether the owner of the horse will face criminal charges.

"There is a section of law for animals at large. They are responsible for keeping their animals tied up and restrained," said Hayes.

Fox 8 News spoke to the owner of the horse, and he offered his apologies to the families of the two men.

The results of the investigation will eventually be turned over to the county prosecutor.

 

Investigation into runaway racehorse killed in Ascot


A Perth Racing investigation is underway after one of its racehorses escaped the Ascot track and collided with a car yesterday morning.
A chauffeur for a private car company described himself as the "luckiest man in Perth" after escaping the freak accident unharmed.
The horse had to be put down at the scene of the accident and details about its worth and ownership were being closely guarded by the racecourse yesterday afternoon.
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Keith, from Como, yesterday told Fairfax Radio that he had been driving towards the city and coming out of Leake Street in Ascot at 7.15am when the horse collided with his work car.
"I'm the luckiest man in Perth at the moment," he said. "In my peripheral vision I just saw a horse and then all of a sudden the horse is on my bonnet, smashing the windscreen and there's probably $20,000 of damage to the car.
"And then I stopped the car and of course the horse is basically collapsed and it's very sad to see the horse having to be put down."
He said the horse had escaped while it was training on the sand.
"It was on the sand track at Ascot and apparently the rider got dethroned and then it started to gallop," he said.
"Apparently the gate was left open and all of a sudden it's galloping along Leake Street across two lanes of Great Eastern Highway airport bound and then straight into my vehicle."
Keith, who did not give his last name, said he was upset at the turf club for allowing horses to escape "all too often".
"Three horses were on Great Eastern Highway last year," he said. "This could have been a 10-car pile-up, with fatalities and the Great Eastern Highway blocked for four hours, so I just don't understand how it happened before, it's happened again and I don't want the next news story to be a fatality.
"I just feel I should have been in a hospital on a drip at the moment. This shouldn't happen and it shouldn't happen again because I should be in the mortuary at the moment."
Perth Racing has been contacted for comment.
A horse died in December last year after it escaped from the Ascot racecourse stables and was struck by a van on Great Eastern Highway.
It was one of three horses to escape just before 7am, with their saddles on and jockeys chasing after them.
One of the thoroughbreds needed to be put down by a vet and was quickly taken away by the racecourse staff, while the other two were found in separate locations.
One horse was spotted near the St John Ambulance offices in Belmont while the other was picked up near the Sandringham Hotel.
Ascot Racecourse operations manager Carl Johnson would not comment about the identity of the horse or who it belonged to at the time.
 

 

ROAD CLEARED FOLLOWING EARLIER DISRUPTION DUE TO JACKKNIFED LORRY

TRAFFIC is flowing again, following an earlier road closure due to a jackknifed lorry.

The A590 was blocked between the A592 junction and the Back Lane junction, after police received reports of a road traffic incident at 5.17pm.

An HGV had hit a tree and jackknifed, causing it to collide with another lorry coming in the opposite direction.

A police spokesman said the driver who hit the tree suffered superficial injuries and was checked over by paramedics at the scene.

Following the accident, the road was at first closed in both directions.

It was soon re-opened to general traffic but shut off for heavy goods vehicles, which were stacked along the roadside while queues were cleared.

Highways Agency officers were called to provide lighting and clear the road of debris.

The road has now completely re-opened (10pm).
 

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LETTER OF THE DAY

OUT OF THE BOX

Hi John, just thought I would write to you about a mare that I own she is Anglo Arab chestnut 16 h.h ,she has always been a bit of a bitch on the ground (always had to keep her in her box)but I haven’t had a problem with the ridden work .In march this year a friend needed a horse to ride and at the time I had two plus a breaker so said she could ride her ,she picked her up and took her home (with full instructions that she had to be kept in her box ). She has had her about four months and in that time has got right out of her box on the ground she has bitten and kicked her parents who have horses of their own. She has mainly ridden this mare out the bush and done a little jumping at home but about a month or so ago she started to kick at her feet when she was riding her when she asked her to go. Anyway I have picked her up as things were getting worse with her on ground behaviour. She was home for five days before I got her out of the paddock as it has been raining ,I thought I would just take her out the bush for a casual ride before I started any arena work, well I only just got out the gate and she started jig jogging (which she has never done before ) after a couple of reminders she went okay I will walk then ,we only got about 200 mts up the track and she stopped and didn’t want to go so gave her a squeeze with the leg and she pigrooted, I again squeezed(and I mean a light pressure ) and she bucked on the spot not big bucks just humpy ones so I thought okay after several bucks and pigroots I decide to just sit there and click my tongue and say walk on (as she understands english Lol )and again she bucked or pigrooted every time I clicked my tongue and said walk on she would do the same so I gave up and came home and put her in the round yard and did the HP Join up (I like your bum but its your face I want) I then put the running reins on and lunged her.The following day I did the same in the roundyard and the third day I got on after lunging etc and on a pleasure rein again no problem to walk on but when I asked for trot she stopped and had a little buck so did one rein stop then with ears back tried to bite me on the leg, after a couple of attempts to get her to go on a pleasure rein I just said put your friggen head down and get going no problem then ,so I guess what I would like to know is do I just ride her on the bit for now and not worry about the pleasure rein ? cheers Tracy ( I have learnt something don’t lend your horse to other people )


You don't meet many but this one definitely needs a tune up. I know it is difficult for the Amateur but this one needs the Western Split Reins around her Ass, as hard as you can hit her. A quick 'shock and awe". They can often then Buck, IF YOU WIMP. Hence the strength of the smack on one of these.....or.....T.A.P. this type of Horse. End of Problem then. Regards


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LETTERS OF THE DAY

Hi John,
First, the biggest thank you for the DVDs and equipment
A real pleasure to know there are people like you out there, that are happy to give your knowledge & experience with horses to the less “savvy” people like us.
To make our horses and my family safer was my priority. So your website was & is a godsend. . (it is really hard not to verbally vomit all over people about you) ;)
The way you explain things make sense, often made us feel dumb but to read, listen and watch you just makes us go ahhhhhh. (yes a light bulb goes on)
Just a couple of shots to see where we are up to with the foal.
Ok 7 really just in case you were interested.
Cruze certainly lets me know when I’ve got it wrong but boy when I’ve got it right the results speak for themselves
Today we float loaded, then he float loaded himself lol


Cheers
Caro
 

Hi Caro. Thanks for that. Remember, the system is only as good as the Dummy on the end of it :) Wonderful effort.  Regards

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Hi John this is not a problem just would like to learn more. When you are out at the river loose rein loping along what is the best technique to slow them if the horse starts to change pace thanks John ps I have booked in for your Canberra clinic regards dinah

Well John we finally have made it to a few comps. Took me a little longer than I thought but I finally got over the thought of taking out a stallion and competing on him. He has done pretty well we've placed third in a couple of tests against 30 others each time. That only HRCAV not EA. So I've been pretty happy about it all. So thanks again for helping Burnie and I. Hope all is well looking forward to the Vic clinic.

Cheers
Leisha and Burnie
 

Well done Leisha. Looking good. See you at the Melbourne Clinic.

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Hello,

I wonder if you could give me some guidance. I have a 6-year off the track TB mare (bought her 2 ½ years ago). She was actually fairly quiet as a 4-5 year old, and went to small schooling shows and was good. Then I guess hormones kicked in and now she is good at home but skittish and disobedient at shows. We show her in hunters. I would love to show her in equitation but need her to be more consistent. The trainer recently put her in a Pelham for lessons and for shows. I ride her often in a Mylar bit at home and really like it, but the trainer’s concern is that it is “not enough bit” at show. Last week, she participated in a Frank Madden clinic. With the assistant trainer riding her in a Pelham. I asked Frank about the bit, and he thought, for the clinic exercises, it was too much bit. I am not sure that her skittish and inappropriate behavior (rearing at the show yesterday) are related to the Pelham; she may just need more show mileage to relax, but I am also not convinced that the Pelham (it has a happy mouth snaffle) is the right bit for her either. She can be strong over fences.

The Frank Madden clinic suggested we work on transitions, gait change, etc., to keep her responsive and listening, which makes sense. But which bit?? She is a horse that seems to benefit from chanign bits and has a sensitive mouth. I want to do what is best for her but I also don’t want to have her rearing, jigging, etc. at shows. I know this means she is fearful. The trainer has been suggesting some “tough love.” Maybe this would work, but I also believe more flat work in appropriate bit, more show time even if we just do flat classes (She is actually better and more focused in over fences and rather skittish and unfocused in under saddle classes) may help as well. Any guidance is welcome.

Many thanks, Katharine
 

Hi Katherine. Here are the answers.

  • You only need a Snaffle Bit for Training and in fact competing. I have never used anything but for anything.
  • The Horse sounds stressed or worried, not naughty. This could be associated with the Horse communicating to you that it has Veterinary issues. "Listen to your Horses"
  • There is 'Tough Love' meated out to Horses all over this fair Land and almost always, it is unwarranted and only signals that the Rider is not up to the job. Horses do not plan to be naughty. They only communicate their worries. There are no bad Horses, just misunderstood one's/
  • The transitions etc are of course a good answer but alone, without further understanding of the Horse, won't work.
  • Rearing is the ultimate communication so get rid of the Pelham, adopt the 'German Training Scale" and prepare the Horse athletically and fitness wise prior to riding.
  • but "eliminate the Veterinary" 86% of OTTB's have Veterinary issues when they leave the Track!!!!!!!!!!!! Yours sounds related to the request for collection.

Regards

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Hi John,
In the last blog you mentioned a” pre-riding fitness regime”. My horse is obese (just on lush pasture, no hard feed ). He is due to be broken in over summer. I have moved him to a smaller mown paddock, so what else should I be doing..are regular brisk walks and lunging (for how long) enough??

Cheers
Jo
 

Hi Jo. Yes, the majority of Horses in our Society are not fairly prepared for ridden work. That should include lunging the Horse 5 days a week, starting 5 min each way and building to 10 each way, WITH EQUIPMENT ON. and at walk, trot and canter. That should be at least a Month long.  Here is Mrs. HP over 12 Weeks

    

Cheers

 

 

 

 

13TH NOVEMBER, 2011

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

VETERINARY ASSESSMENT

One of my Facebook Friends, in fact an ex agistee at Gainsborough, won my FRIDAY NIGHT QUIZ and instead of opting for a DVD, asked if she could bring her young Horse here for a Veterinary assessment as the Vet on Wednesday wasn't sure and suggested Nerve Blocks and prescribed Bute. Dr. Jo from Inspiritus would love that one :)

Anyhow, rather a confusing situation because the young Horse was over weight, not shod well and had been ridden in two separate Saddles which had been prescribed by one of our Saddle Fitting Shops, none of which fitted the Horse at all :(

So it is the lateral thinking that I want to pass onto you here. Investigation needs to be lateral and with a completely open mind, taking in every possibility and sorting through the information.

The Horse was most scratch on all 4 feet in the carpark, on both lunge sides, which suggests Feet, too much Green grass, over weight, Body too heavy for Legs and Feet and so on. She also had a sore back, which was to be expected. The local Chiro had also seen the Horse and reckoned that she had fixed it.

So I then stress tested the Horse and sure enough, she was markedly sore in both front fetlocks and would have been in the back as well had to gone there. So no need for nerve blocks, lateral thinking, Horse too Fat, only 4 yrs, been ridden for 9 months since breaking in, needs a spell and needs to lose weight. NOT NERVE BLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!  Then re-asses,  Of course then to properly prepare the young Horse with Pre Riding Fitness regime, something that FEW DO!!!

 

BREAKER

Hi John, Linda and Nathan,

I posted on your facebook too.

I would like to thank you so very much in regards to the job you did on Tess. She traveled over 5hours yesterday like a dream and settled back home well.
I decided to have a ride to day it was nice and sunny and a good day. I went out and saddled her up and got ready when the wind picked up and clouds come out of no where.
decided yo get on and bite the bullet.
She went like a dream we walked troted and a little canter work. one rein stops practised too.
There was loose tin bangging the wind blowing and plenty of opportunities for her to bolt shy and buck but didnt.
we rode for only about 10 15 mins and finishe on a good note very happy :D

cheers
Rach

Well done Rach. Remember, spell this one as she is weak and has to develop. Regards and thanks. Most kind

 

SNIP

Mrs. HP's young Horse goes to his first Show on Sunday and

He was a very good Boy and wasn't worried about the entrance Gate and stuff so she is looking forward to taking him out for the first time in his Prelim. Cappo is going well and is almost ready for the Medium 4th Level and in the new Year Advanced so she can put the Big Girls Hat back on hahahaha.

THE SOUTHERN VALES DRESSAGE CLUB

Ass you know, I have talked and warned a lot over the Years, about the Ruthless and Crooked Labor Govt and Local Councils, which now includes the lovely Southern Vales Dressage Club.

It would be lovely of you all to email these Good Folks and ask them do they know the Club is being kicked out to make way for Soccer Fields and what are they doing about this? How can they kill off Sporting Organizations that help control Obesity in People, Drugs, Crime and much more???? Thanks.

I'll report more as this plays out but as usual and as to be expected, Council Officer, who call the Shot, not Councillors who are supposed to represent the People, have already commenced the deceit and the extortion, upping the Rent to an equivalent Value based on their equation, to their Club Color Bond Shed being worth 1 Million Dollars, not $10,000. I warned the Blackhill Pony Club to not trust them, they didn't hear and they are now gone. We wish this Club all the best.

From Concillor Wenham.

Dear John,

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so you will need to provide me with more details. I havnt had any contact from the group you refer too.

Yvonne

Of course, the moment I enquire, we get the proof that the "YES MINISTERS" within the Coucil, the HIT MEN, keep the elected Members in the Dark and treat them like Mushrooms. That's how Democracy works Folks :)

OMG, skipping through the Elected Members, here we have an ex Tea Tree Gulley Professional Politician on the Council as well. They just won't stay out of Public Office as they use us to get pre selection for a local Parliamentary Seat. They are the worst of Local Govt.

Never mind, won't be long now until we get the "Independent Commission against Corruption" and then some of these Councils will be hung out to dry. Tea Tree Gulley will be first Cab off the Rank. as they Sleep with the Real; Estate Developers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we just had to get rid of the last remnants of the Paedophile Govt of Dunstan and now he has gone. Thank God.

THE EFA OR EQUESTRIAN AUSTRALIA

Who's been looking after the Horse Industry for the last 30 Years Folks??? Have they done well???? It is a fact that they have presided over the loss of Club after Club as they have succumb to the race for Housing Development as the Bosses feather their Nests and the absolutely addictive need for spending has become the norm for Council Officers.

and of course, all through the Years, I have wondered why none of the EA Presidents over saw the Purchase of Lands for the Equestrian Industry. I remember way back to Marion Malecki at Waterloo Corner, when 100 acres could have been purchased for $25,000. Even in the Year 2000, I could have purchased 320 Acres at Bolivar for $253,500. What in Gods Earth is wrong with the Administrators of this Industry??????? So the Horse Industry has itself to blame for the loss of Club after Club and now the Southern Vales Dressage Club. When are they going to Learn Folks???? Where is the Entrepreneurial skills to get things done????? Meanwhile, all the efforts are put into running a 2 Day event in the Parks of Adelaide which comes and goes in a flash but achieves nothing. Buggered if I know

Horsesa gets involved in these matters, again in a Politically correct way and also gets screwed over.

So read my Lips. Either they get the Horse Industry together and invest in the Land now, it will be Goodbye to all.

 

THE FILTHY SOUTH AUSTRALIAN HOSPITALS

Very Sad indeed, to hear that one of our lovely Agistees has succumb to the infection riddled Modbury Hospital, whilst getting a Plate in for a broken Collar Bone. Bone infection :( The Poor Lass is back in of course, to have the Plate removed of course, as often happens these Days, and for them to decide what horrendous Drugs to pump into her :( Our thoughts and Prayers go out to her. The most Dangerous Place you can visit these Days is our Hospitals. More Dangerous than a Prison. How bad and how sad is that Folks. Do you realize that an astounding number of Doctors and Nurses don't wash their Hands?????? Be careful out there!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Gainsborough is like Rundle Mall at the Moment. It is an exciting place to be. Mrs. HP taught all Day, Nathan Breaking in 4, Shannon Wendt with Horses arriving for her School and Pupils coming and going, cars and floats, on the hour.

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HORSELAW

Always plenty going on there. A Young South Australian Dressage Queen is about to receive her Summons for selling a Warmblood with a "Knocked Down Hip" where the Vets have found the point of the Hip hidden in Scar Tissue. Vendor says "Hell no, I am not refunding your money. I'm sweet and innocent" Get ready for your Waterloo my Darling. Daddy won't help you this time.....or settle fast and do the right thing.

 

NEWS OF THE DAY

The owner of 22 horses that died suddenly on a south-east Queensland property has questioned a finding that scrub ticks or botulism probably caused the deaths.
Steve Hogno said tests of horse-hair samples sent to a US laboratory had turned up high levels of heavy metals including manganese and zinc, among others.
"They're saying they've got some of the highest levels of heavy metals they've even seen," Mr Hogno told AAP.
"Now we've got to try and find out where they've come from."
The US laboratory had indicated that ingestion of a toxic weed or outside intervention could have caused the high metal levels, Mr Hogno said, adding that he did not know why Biosecurity Queensland had reached such a drastically different conclusion.
"The chief pathologist with Biosecurity Queensland is saying what world-class facilities they have, but it seems they've drawn a blank and said `ticks will do'," Mr Hogno said.
Twenty-two quarter horses from a herd of 25 died within five days of each other at a property west of the Gold Coast last month, baffling vets and Mr Hogno.
Biosecurity Queensland on Wednesday said that scrub ticks or botulism were probably behind the deaths, adding that three weeks of lab tests on the animals ruled out such possible causes as Hendra virus, toxic plants, water contamination and deliberate poisoning.
Chief biosecurity officer Jim Thompson said both ticks and botulism could have caused the progressive muscular paralysis seen in the horses, and it was often hard to differentiate between the two.
Botulism is a bacterium that lives in soil and produces a toxin that affects the nervous system if ingested.
Mr Thompson said scrub tick infestations represented the other likely scenario and fatal infestation of scrub tick on adult horses had been recorded.
"Witnesses have reported that the horses first noticed to be in distress on Thursday, 6 October, had been carrying large numbers of ticks," he said.
However he warned test results didn't always reveal the exact cause of death.
The Biosecurity Queensland tests also ruled out contamination from pesticides and heavy metals, Mr Thompson said.
The first horses began dropping dead in a paddock at Kooralbyn, 90km west of the Gold Coast, on October 6, and within five days just three horses from the herd of 25 had survived.
Speculation followed that noxious weeds, contaminated water and even deliberate poisoning were behind the deaths.

 

Jockey died after 'freak accident' on gallops


An experienced rider died in a “freak accident” in Newmarket, an inquest heard.
Chris Watson, 61, from Sapcote in Leicestershire, was found on Side Hill Gallops in Newmarket on November 17 last year, after falling off Kadouchski, a horse he had ridden 10 or 12 times before for trainer John Berry, the inquest in Bury St Edmunds heard today (Nov 11).
Mr Watson, who held an amateur jockey’s licence, rode out with four others that morning but drew level with Adam Harris, another of the riders, and said he had lost one of his stirrups.
Mr Watson’s gelding quickened its pace to a gallop and the other riders lost sight of him and he was found lying on the floor against a tree.
The inquest heard the loss of the stirrup is likely to have caused the horse to bolt and it was probable Mr Watson fell after the horse turned sharply on its normal route but at speed.
Susan Donnelly, a quality assurance manager at the British Racing School in Newmarket, told the inquest: “Once you have lost one stirrup, unless the horse stops of its own accord, it’s inevitable you are going to fall off.”
The disconnected stirrup was found centimetres from where Mr Watson fell. The jury heard the buckle could have become unfastened during the ride or not been done up properly by Mr Watson, or the leather strap fixing the stirrup to the saddle could have worked its way off its metal bar.
Paramedics arrived within minutes and resuscitation was attempted but Mr Watson was pronounced dead at the scene at 11.16am and the post-mortem examination found he had died of multiple injuries.
The inquest heard he was a good rider who had always looked after his tack, which was all found to be in good working order.
Steven Gill, inspector for the Health and Safety Executive, said: “There is no evidence we found that Chris was doing anything wrong in terms of riding the horse. He was an experienced rider doing what he was trained to do.”
In Mr Harris’ statement read by Dr Peter Dean, the coroner, he said: “In my view, I think it was a freak accident.”
The jury recorded a verdict of accidental death.

 

Horses Killed in Crash


Posted: Nov 11, 2011 5:21 AM
One man is in critical condition today following an accident in Iberia Parish. State police say the crash occurred on Louisiana Highway 32-12 near Grand Prairie Road. Lance Boutte was driving a pickup truck westbound on highway 32-12 when he crossed the center line, striking another pickup truck that was towing a horse trailer.

The trailer carrying three horses sustained severe damage. Boutte was transported to a hospital where he is listed in stable condition. One of the horses died upon impact...the other two survived the crash, but were euthanized at the scene by a veterinarian due to the severity of their injuries.

 

Two-truck accident kills three horses

A New Iberia man is in critical condition and three horses are dead after a Wednesday traffic crash left a horse trailer in shambles.

According to Louisiana State Police Troop I spokesman Stephen Hammons, around
6:35 p.m. a Toyota pickup truck, traveling west on La. Highway 3212, struck an eastbound Dodge pickup truck towing a horse trailer.

Hammons said the Toyota, driven by 24-year-old Lance Boutte, was turning on a slight curve when his vehicle crossed the center line into the eastbound lane.

Hammons said 54-year-old Clarence Broussard, who was traveling with 48-year-old Charolette Broussard, attempted to avoid the truck by steering to the right, but he was unsuccessful.

"He did everything he could to avoid the crash," Hammons said.

Hammons said Boutte hit the front left corner of Broussard's truck, and continued to sideswipe the side of the vehicle until it reached the trailer.

According to Hammons, the trailer was severely damaged.

Both vehicles came to rest facing opposite directions.

Hammons said Boutte, who suffered severe injuries, was not wearing a seat belt.

Clarence and Charolette Broussard sustained minor
injuries.

One horse died on impact, and the remaining two horses were euthanized by a veterinarian at the scene because of injuries sustained in the accident.

Hammons said the investigation is ongoing.

 

VICTORIAN BRUMBY ASSOCIATION

The Victorian Brumby Associationhas announced that it needs to suspend all events that have been planned to occur at the VBAsanctuary until further notice.

According to Treasurer Dave O’Brien, President, chief horse trainer and driving force of theVBA Colleen O’Brien has suffered a severe back injury (non horse related) and will be out ofaction for the next few months.

“The Brumby big day out, any clinics and our volunteer days will all be rescheduled to nowoccur in 2012,” says Dave.

“Due to (Colleen’s accident) our sanctuary will be closed to the public until furthernotice.”

If anyone has purchased a brumby recently any arrangements will be honoured and the VBA willwork with new owners to ensure that they are able to take their brumby home as soon aspossible.

“We have a very talented committee and all of our committee members will be working to ensurethe association continues to look after our brumbies and prepare current horses for sale,”Dave continued.

“If you are interested in purchasing please e-mail your enquiry as we will still be trainingand rehoming as best we can.”

The VBA does not have any paid employees and all of the committee and helpers are volunteersand donate their time and efforts. Dave urges prospective Brumby owners to be patient when itcomes to any enquiries as the committee works through these on a case by case basis.

The association asks that all contact be through their email addressinfo@victorianbrumbyassociation.org as Colleen’s mobile has been switched off.

Dave says that the VBA also ask Brumby lovers to continue to support any brumby classes atupcoming shows such as Ballarat and Bendigo.
 

You picked me up!


Published on Thursday 10 November 2011 19:30

YESTERDAY morning I had a bad accident when my horse threw me after she spooked.

I landed on my back and couldn’t get up. I was on land behind houses at Chickenley.

I would like to thank all the people who helped me, especially the nurse who called the ambulance that took me to Pinderfields and the lady and her husband who took my horse to their stable to be safe.

Thank you all so much. I am confined to bed at home, but recovering.

MRS J JOHNSON

Chickenley

DEWSBURY

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LETTER OF THE DAY


Hiya John

I'm writing for a little bit of advice (like everyone else LOL) about one of my horses. This is my second foal of my own that I've bred and he is turning out to be a little bit of a handful and its quite possibly due to a large part his mother and we wont be breeding her again. She is a lovely girl but has had a LOT of people issues after being from a stud with a reputation for being heavy handed and she can be quite sensitive. We seem to have gotten her through most of the stuff and she had turned into a lovely sweet mare, until her foal was born and she has reverted back to being quite jumpy, and the foal is quite obnoxious.

This foal REFUSES to give to pressure, no matter what! We tried what worked really well with our last foal, with following your instruction about making sure they go forward and not using bum ropes or anything and she is so fantastic (same father but different mother). This foal will put so much pressure on a halter that it puts too much pressure on his poll and he will fall over, get back up and do it all over again If you push from his bum he will go forward but that isn't much use as he's just running away from the pressure on his bum and not listening to us to lead from his head/body. I've done some reading on your site and plan to purchase the halter training dvd, the leg restraints dvd and some gear but I'm unsure as to what to purchase first and where to start.

A few people have recommended doing the old stockman's way of tying up and making him use pressure against himself but as I'm unaware of how these configurations work I'm a bit nervous of doing it, but I love the sound of the leg restraints training and see it to be useful for the rest of his life. But I have seem some of the tie up collars and different things in your saddlery sales section and am happy to spend the $$ as this boy is to be a horse for me for life and I want to try and give him the best start I can and also to try and resolve these giving to pressure issues before he becomes too big and is weaned and causes more problems. (he's 1.5 months old).

So my question is where do I start and what equipment do I purchase first? I would REALLY appreciate a point in the right direction =)

Thank you so much for your site and for sharing your wisdom, I've learnt a lot and its opened my mine a lot over the years I've been looking there for advice =) You do a pretty awesome thing for the Australian equine community and I can imagine its not an easy one, but please know that there are a LOT of people out there (myself DEFINITELY included) who REALLY appreciate what you do for us and our horses =)

Lorraine

Hi Lorraine. Thanks for your kind words, it is appreciated. Never fear, I just talk a bit straight for some of Todays Folk to handle. I do it because I am too dam busy :( and have no time,.

Yes, no doubt the majority of the problems here will be caused by the Breeding but this is the Classic Case where you must be ever flexible in Training Horses.  Forget all other systems and go to this. Two Handlers......one asking gently with take and release and the other behind with a dressage whip, teaching the Jeffreys Method and with sophistication. You will NOT want to miss the first give for it you do you will be in a real pickle. Just Help the Confused Foal to understand Forward. There are other ways to achieve this of course. One Handler with Mare, walking Mare forward a couple of steps, just after other handler asks foal to move forward. Association of ideas is what you need to break the log jam./ Regards



 

 

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LETTERS OF THE DAY

Hi John,
Just a quick question, i have 2 yold unbroken gelding who when tied up, will constantly chew and mouth his rope. Same goes for when he is being shod...i hate it!!
Can you tell me what i need to read (learn ) to solve this problem,i want to nip it in the bud asap.I have him booked in for your breaker clinic in vic ,so he hasnt been hobble trained as yet...ive only come across your website a few months back and wished i found you sooner as i would have hobbled trained him as a foal.

Hi Laura. Many Young Horses do this, just as many Babies eat their Toys. They need to do these things because of Teething and just being Young. It doesn't pay to worry too much about these things.


Also what are your thoughts on 'overhandling' the young horse ,my friend and i were discussing this the other day, as far as teaching a young horse the basics , lead,tie, float and rug then tipping them out to mature until broken (this is what she does) Whereas i continue doing all of this until they are ready to be broken. I also lead them up the bush on (foot first) getting them to do the scary stuff like walking through water over logs etc? Can you 'over do it'.In my opinion i like to treat a youngster the way i do the older horse and dont modycodle them i suppose. Am i wrong?
Regards
Laura

More handling is better than not enough. PROVIDING such handling is quality Handling. GROOMING does not equal quality handling, nor does Carrots and the like. Natural Horsemanship, more than 5 Minutes, is also over handling for it pees Horses off. Young Horses that are left for Months, regress markedly and are far more dangerous to themselves and to us.

QUALITY HANDLING EQUALS

5 Minutes of training the 7 Games

Tying up

Feet trimming

Leg Restraints Training!!!!!

Float Training

 Regards


 

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Hi John,

I'm not sure if you remember me emailing you about my 4yr old unhandled gelding that I was breaking in that kept facing up to me...? Anyway, although we have a few issues along the way we worked through them, he has been ridden a few times out the road and through the forest and he is now out to spell. I'm kind of concerned about him though, he is not putting on any weight. He hasn't lost any weight since he went from the stable to the field but all the other horses are getting fat on the spring grass and he looks weedy compared to them. His teeth have only recently been done, he is wormed and he doesn't seem to be in any pain as he regularly plays with the other horses, galloping and bucking around the field! Any ideas on how to fatten him up? I've seen him fatter before so I know its not just that he is naturally a thin horse.

I have attached photos of me riding my friends 4 yr old horse on a charity ride...there were at least 60 horses out that day and I had the luxury of only needing a contact when riding down to a jump!! You see some of us english style riders can let the reins go (it helps when the horse has a horseproblems mouth) :P

Kindest Regards,
Ro
 

 

Hi Ro,

Probably Sand if the worming is under control. Ulcers perhaps depending on the stress of the Breaking in Process? I bet the Horse hasn't been done for Sand :)  Don't give me the British Loose Rein I bet it was a Photo Set Up.....you Blokes are all too frightened to let the Reins go over there Only jokin :).....by the way, they might be letting the reins go but they sure as Hell can;t tell when a Jump is designed to break the Legs of Horses :) Regards

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Hi John,
Thanks for your good vibes. The little filly is improving and is now able to drink. The blockage seems to have resolved for now. We are so glad the poor little girl can drink now. She is very bright, feisty and strong this morning. We now do bloods and watch for infection over the next few days given the gunk that may have made it's way into her lungs. Fingers crossed still but we are happy she has improved greatly.
Thanks again.

Regards,
Vivienne

Wow Viv. Fantastic. Well done. Great outcome. Thanks for letter us know!

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John,

I wish to breed from my mare next spring. She is a Percheron cross and will be 15 by then. She has had foals successfully in the past.(the last one was born in November 2007) She is currently overweight and I have been told that this can interfere with her fertility.She is currently on pasture with a good quality vitamin and mineral supplement. I can't ride her as she is not brocken to saddle. I can lead her from a vehicle and am thinking this may be a good way to exercise her. Any suggestions on feeding or exercise would be appreciated. Thank you.
Debbie

You are right Debbie. Obesity negatively affects everything in Life. Put her in the Pig Pen and knock it off her. I doubt the work will do it with her. Massive undertaking but you will probably end up with a very fit over weight Horse for that Breed are Vacuum Cleaners :) Best of Luck

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Hi John,
Have watched both dvds on the foal halter breaking and leg restraints last night.
Colt Foal is 3 months, has been hoof trimmed and we can pick up all legs.
Has been halter broken with webbing halter and we put your rope one on last night and he went really well.
He is a very friendly foal most of the time so the 2 issues I feel we have and of course will be our fault is
1) When he comes at us, free or on the lead he sometimes want to strike us with front leg – WILL THE FOAL HOBBLES HELP TO STOP THIS STRIKING
2) He tries to bite us when he thinks we are not looking, sometimes its nibbling then it can be a full on strike out with his mouth, especially to the side of us.
We have tried the “ make out he ran into your arm elbow or whatever we may have in our hand” several times we have smacked him on the nose but have been told that can make him head shy.
He of course does not tolerate well our hand, stroking him around his arch of his neck and between his ears. He is Ok when he has his head in a bucket of speedibeet though.
Are you able to give me any ideas on how to deal with this.

Cheers
Caro

Completely Caro.  Read the Letter down below here tonight and you too can reap the benefits.

Whenever I read this, we know immediately that the assertiveness and Leadership of the Owner is not up to the Mark for that Horse. This is just the pecking order system going on and he needs to know you are superior and a Leader, The Foal Hobbles completely fools them, takes away their Power, their Big Head and makes them elect you as the Person who saved them from the Hobbles after a job well done. Add to this the NH Training and you have a marked improvement. Regards

 

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Hey john was reading your post on fb about hosing horses heads,I thought it was ok to do it as long as we stand in front and make water a spray ?? Do you mean a light mist or finger over end of hose to create the heavier type spray ?? Is it better to not hose head at all and just wash with a sponge ??

My Thanks to this lady for the Photo. This is how.

I shoot it more directly towards the centre of the forehead, so that water passes straight over the ears and out the back and allows them to maximize their protection.

Also I have a question regarding vitamins,is it a good idea to give them to dancer.I remember you commenting a while ago about horse pellets and that we probably don't give enough to meet dietary requirements.As she is such a doer I certainly don't want to give her what the bag suggest so was thinking vitamins could be the better way for her as its like a tiny capfull

Thanks for your time John
Regards
Rachel
 

Yes Rachel, good idea although she is just about due for the Daughter to get off her and move on. You should sell that Horse to the Adelaide Riding Academy for smaller Kiddies. She has earnt her dues.  Regards.

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Hello Mr. HP,

I bought a 2 yr. old Standardbred 2 months ago. I have emailed you about her as she is a darling, but lately, during the last 3 weeks, she is having difficulty with her off hind.
She has developed what I am sure is temporary upward fixation of the patella. Her stifle locks and she either drags it on the ground or jerks it up, like stringhalt, though I am sure it is not stringhalt as she is OK backing up. She can jerk it up for consecutive 3 strides. This happens at both walk and trot. On the lunge, it will lock 2 to 3 times on each circle at trot and she drops down to walk, which I let her do. I have hardly worked her at all, just taught her to lunge quietly as she is growing rapidly (over an inch and a half at the rump in the last 2 months) and she is a bit weak all round. I attach a photo. She has put a bit of weight on since the photo, but as she is growing so fast, not much. Her rump is now over 2" higher than her withers.
Here in the UK it is now too wet to turn out, but she is running with my 4 yr old TB mare. They have a field shelter and a 20M x 20M all weather arena with full access 24hrs/day. Feed and water stations are spread around the arena to encourage excersise and they play a lot too, though they get on very well and there is never any kicking, so a kick to the rear end not the problem. She is on ad-lib top quality haylage made from a ryegrass/timothy ley,and 3kgs youngstock ration split into 2 feeds/day plus ad-lib mineral block. Her feet are trimmed every 5 weeks by a barefoot farrier and look great - no long toes on hind.
My question is: Do I leave her and see if she grows out of it as she strengthens or do I mouth her now and try to build muscle on running reins or what? If I have her lunging on running reins, what should I do when it locks? It is definitely getting worse, particularly if she has been standing for a while. I have had youngstock with a bit of a problem before, (they all grew out of it when they started work) but never as bad as Lotty.
Sorry for such a long email, but any advice will be greatly appreciated.
 

Hi Maureen,

This one sounds a little too severe and needs Veterinary investigation by way of an E-Ray. They may be Bone Chips or other issues and these have to be ruled out for the good of the lovely Horse and in fairness. Yes, the young one's and the Breakers often show such symptoms, but not this bad. She shouldn't be lunged or worked.

Also, go down the Page for the last two Weeks Blogs here and find the Letter regarding Pasture and it's relation to Stifles.  Best of Luck.

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TO MR & MRS HP,

I HAVE BEEN RIDING SINCE I WAS 4 AND STARTED BREAKING MY OWN HORSES WHEN I WAS FIFTEEN,
I AM NOW RE- MOUTHING MY 6 YEAR OLD ARAB, AND STARTED MY YEARLING TO YOUR SYSTEM THE OTHER DAY (WOW).
I HAVE THIS YOUNG BOY SINCE 4 MONTHS OLD (HE IS HUGE), VERY WELL HANDLE AND HE LEARNT WITH IN 10 MINIUTE TO GIVE HIS FACE, I WAS ASTONISHED.

I HAVE NEVER HAD THIS RESULT, AS I HAVE TRIED THEM ALL, LIKE YOU SAY IN YOUR DVDS.
YOU ARE A LEDGEND, I AM SO GLAD I TRIED YOUR SYSTEM.
I HAVE TO SAY YOU ARE THE BEST HORSE MAN I HAVE SEEN, IM ALSO USING OTHER TECHNIQUES I PICKED UP IN THE DVD,
IT’S AMAZING!
HOW SIMPLE YOU HAVE PUT THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE, NO MORE ARGUMENTS,
AND MY ROLLER DID BREAK.
THANK YOU,

WARMEST REGARDS
CHARMAINE
 

Thanks Charmaine. Most Kind and appreciated.  Best of Luck with them.

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Hi John,
I am curious about your feed program for your off the track horses. Have you heard of Coolstance (coconut meal)? Wondering what you think of it as it is suppose to be a very alkanizing feed with good gut benefits and possible healing of ulcers and such.
thank you
stephani cessario
USA
 

Hi Stephani. Here is what it is called in this Country.

Copra meal horse feed

Copra meal is produced in the extraction of oil from coconuts. The coconut is manually harvested, the outer husk removed, and the white copra cut from within the shell. The copra is dried by direct or indirect drying, using the husk and shell as the fuel source. When the copra is dry, the oil is mechanical or solvent (hexane) extracted to yield 70% coconut oil and 30% copra meal. The residual meal is called copra meal. It is brown because it has been cooked.

Direct drying of results in poor poor quality, smoke flavoured copra meal. Solvent extracted copra meal contains only 2-4% residual coconut oil. Mecanical expelled copra meal contains 8-12% coconut oil. Copra meal quality varies considerably, and can contain high levels of aflatoxin in meal that has been poorly processed and stored incorrectly. Only high quality copra meal is used in the manufacture of

TYPICAL NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS
PROTEIN % MIN: 18.00
CALCIUM % : 0.10
PHOSPHORUS % : 0.50
FAT % : 7.00
ME POULTRY MJ/kg : 5.60
ME RUMINANT MJ/kg : 11.00
DE HORSE MJ/kg : 12.00
DE PIG MJ/kg : 11.00
FIBRE % : 12.00

Apart from that, I don't know much. My Wife has fed it but to me, it seems unnatural for a Horse. Regards

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I have an 11 year old mare excellent in every aspect well mannered responsive . However I did a stupid thing when she was young and she developed a fear when mounting, I use the one rein technique and usually no problems I just don't want the fear to compound further which it seems to be,lately we have been swimming in the river as I thought getting on her bareback in the water would help,but i think it has made the problem worse I am really hoping you can help us regards Dinah
USA

Hi Dinah. I wish I knew what precisely is happening as you say you are using the one rein technique usually with no problems, but what is happening the other times? I am just about to put together Disc 2 of my "Leg Restraints DVD" which deals with this entire problem. This is the one subject that I won't talk about in writing Dinah but you must remove the 'flight response' and the 'evasion' in order to bring 'belief' to the mind the Horse, that all is OK with mounting. Regards

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Hi John again,
I guess from all these years of training you knew I would email again lol very shortly.
Since the 2 days of hobble training and halter leading, he has stop his rushing at us with the legs striking.
Yes, with confidence, we went at him like his mother does and we stopped being intimidated by him. lol fancy that
And yes the biting at us as become a nibble and like in your dvd but we didn’t stop him from munching on lead ropes and halters.
OMG we bow down to you John, should never have doubted anything we saw from your help and training. (not that we ever did)
In one weekend I feel that I and my daughters have gained so much confidence and knowledge, thanks to you.
We had him leading over a blue tarp and had an old rug draped over him while he walked around his mum who was being ridden by my daughters.
Thank you.

Cheers
Caro

There you go Caro. "I wonder if they thought he had a Clue" :) As I have said many times, Hobble training has at least 30 add on benefits, the list I wish I had the time to produce but haven't. You can Bank on it though. Well done!!!!!!

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Hi there
Have an agisted colt sb. Just over a year old. Has skidded and strained both back hocks. Obviously knocked them around hard and done a good job on himself :) fluid build up huge. Vet out. As we thought bog spavins. Horse is sound but as you would know these are unsightly .Vet drained fluid. They are back within 4 days. Realise that could happen. Any ideas? Thanks Amber
 

I don't think there is much they can recommend Amber. Bad Luck. I have seen them drained many times and come back. Risk of Bone Infection is on the Cards the more you play with them. Sorry I am no help.

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I am so looking forward to receiving the 'Listen to Horses' DVDs, they are going to help me develop a keener 'eye' with regard to the movement of a horse and being able to spot problems. I am learning all the time and over the years have become better at spotting issues with my three equines - luckily they do not have many if any at all now, but only because I observe, ask questions and research. Indeed it was many years ago I first came across your site when you were just getting going and I found the articles and videos you had posted at the time so very useful.

I have found your video on taking control at feeding time really useful. In the winter I provide additional food for my trio and now they all line up nicely; no barging they wait patiently and do not go any where near the food until I give the word - so easy and very effective.

One of my interests is muscle atrophy in general caused by ill fitting saddles, gadgets, bad riding etc It is astounding how many horses I see at horse shows which show MA and yet how they look has beome the 'norm' to so many folk. I also see too many fat show horses !

Have you seen this blog ? http://shameinthehorseshowring.blogspot.com/

I think it is great; someone trying to shout about the terrible atrocities taking place in the show ring (and outside) T Jean Maus, the owner, of the blog is certainly rattling a few cages.

All the best and keep on saving those horses and educating us further.

kind regards
Krystyna ( not Christina )
UK

We try our best Krystyna with a K not a C On the subject of Fat Show Horses, read my editorial Tonight. Anyhow, best of Luck and break out the Pop Corn. HP (with writers Cramp from filling out Pommy Addresses that go on forever as I speak with an appropriate Plumb in the Mouth to Mrs. HP

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Hi, I ended up sending my horse to someone to break in. She is doing everything right on the ground but as soon as you are on her bareback or with a saddle she will not move forward. Its like she is set in concrete. The breaker has never had this problem before. She will not move.
Any suggestions? maybe a cattle prod!!!!!!
Yvette
 

Yes Yvette, change Trainers! Just Pony her off another Horse and teach the leg aids with voice and light leg and then leading as the third option. Then you apply the brakes, teach halts, repeat many times, then no leading, just following the horse, go, stop, back ups, repeat many times. Elementary Dear Watson :) No Caattle Prods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
 

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6TH NOVEMBER, 2011

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

Things are busy at 'Gainsborough' and about to get busier. We did an online anon survey of our Agistees and they brought up some maintenance issues so I am about to clone myself back to Mr. Carpenter again. Welcome to several new Folks and their Horses, including a lovely Racehorse who won about $180,000 in prize money and was rescued by one of the Anti Jumps Racing Ladies who is at our Place.

We also have another new Horse there and this one also deserves his good Home as he put in the hard yards, having been favourite for the Adelaide Cup a couple of Years ago. His name is 'Century 21"

He is now owned by Janice Hogan, a seasoned Racing Identity, who has just taken over in charge of Agistment.

Nathan is very busy and doing well and has had some Horses through that required his identifying that they had slight Physical Problems here and there and a couple of very complex Horses. Here is one of them, on it's first ride this Week.

Today, I got invited to the Fleurieu Pony Club for a Horse Float Safety Talk which was most enjoyable as we went from Float to Float in the Park to investigate all of the design problems and dangers to Horses. I am sure some of it will be remembered. Whilst there, I got sucked into Float loading one that suddenly didn't want to go into her Float, since there was a terrible accident in it a few Weeks ago where the other Horse had scrambled and ripped a sheet of Galvanized Iron off the Wall and cut it's Leg very badly, losing a massive amount of Blood. Of course the Horse today was simply communicating it's concern for that and it's concern for being changed sides in the Float as repairs hadn't been quite completed in the other side. When Blood flows in a Horse Facility Folks, It is imperative that it be steam cleaned and disinfected, for the sake of the Horses in the future :( I am told the Poor Dads' have been lined up for Float restoration :)

DRESSAGE JUDGING.

I really don't like talking about this subject but I had better complete last Weeks Story where I was disappointed with a 58% for Winning the other Day. We now have the results of the other Test and from two other Judges. Yes he won but this time with 68%. I rest my case!!!!!

Mrs. HP has been teaching quite a bit here as the Locals hear that Mrs. HP is around these parts and this Week we were happy to have had the company of a Lovely little Filly from Port Augusta, one that Nathan had just broken in. She was a dream and went home looking like a real Show Horse bless her Soul. We have advised the Owner to spell this one as she needs to develop and fill out more.

Congratulations to one of my 'Blondes' at Gainsborough, for being chosen as one of the Clipsal Girls for the Car Race held here soon. Saw her on TV the other Night.

Donner Bella goes to the Vets next Week to receive her Frozen Semen. Hit and miss and a big gamble but that's Horses :)

  Here is hoping.

Sadly, Mrs. HP's Sister has had to have a Hip Replacement this Week and another one next Week but the first one went Well. She is based in the Northern Territory now, on a Cattle Station that is 5,000 Square Kilometres in size :) Now cop that Texans :)

Here is some of the Sights and Sounds from there :)

  She'll be riding those Bulls before you know it :)

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OWNER BREAKERS

Congratulations to Young Shelbie here who has just broken her own Horse in, seen here on the first Ride.

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NEWS OF THE DAY

Probation stays in horse-riding crash

A man convicted of driving drunk and crashing into a family on horseback south of Santa Fe in 2006 will not be taken off supervised probation early as his attorney requested.

Thomas "Kenny" Tomlinson, 35, will, however, be allowed to leave the state for long periods of time for his job in the natural energy field without violating the terms of his probation.

The mother of the girl most seriously injured in the September 2006 crash on Bonanza Creek Road opposed the motion.

"What he was sentenced to compared to what Emily was sentenced to is not comparable," said Stephanie Scrimshaw. The mother added her daughter, Emily, who is now 17 but was 12 at the time, endured 10 surgeries and years of rehabilitation.

In 2008, Tomlinson was sentenced to five months in jail, a year of electronic monitoring and five years probation.

Adult probation and parole officers have said that over two and a half years of supervised probation, Tomlinson's record has been nearly flawless.

According to his lawyer, however, media attention has made it hard for him to find regular work and the only job he's been able to find that would allow him to provide for his family requires frequent trips out of New Mexico.

Allowing him to leave supervised probation early would allow him to avoid the possibility of future violations, according to defense attorney Dan Marlowe.

State District Judge Michael Vigil denied the defense motion, but said he doesn't want Tomlinson to lose his job so he would order probation and parole officers to allow him to travel out of state. Keeping him on supervised probation will require Tomlinson to maintain sobriety, Vigil noted.

A jury in 2008 found Tomlinson guilty of two counts of great bodily harm by vehicle and two counts of cruelty to animals after he plowed his Ford pickup into a horse carrying Emily Scrimshaw. Her horse was thrown into another horse ridden by her older brother, Dylan. Both horses were killed.

Emily ended up in the back of Tomlinson's truck and had to throw beer cans at his back window to get him to stop, a prosecutor said during Tomlinson's trial.

Tomlinson's breath-alcohol content at the time of the crash was .14, nearly double the legal driving limit.

Marlowe maintained during the trial that the accident would have happened whether Tomlinson was drunk or not because the family was in the middle of the road and couldn't be seen until the last moment because of a dip in the road.
 

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Horse killed in road accident
 

A horse has died following a collision on the new A16 bypass near Peterborough.

The bypass was closed for five hours on 2 November after four horses ran on to the road causing a collision with a car.

The driver of the vehicle escaped unharmed but one horse was seriously hurt and was later put down by a vet.

Police say the horses had escaped from a nearby field and managed to get on to the bypass at Eye Green at about 2.40am.

The road was subsequently closed until nearly 8am whilst the remaining three horses were led to safety.

A police spokesman told a local paper: “The horses were loose on an isolated stretch of road in the middle of the night.

“Due to it being pitch black at that time of the morning it was difficult for us to round up the animals, so the road was closed off until sunrise to ensure the safety of motorists and the horses.”

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Another carriage horse accident in New York



The accident happened just three hours after the vigil on October 28 for Charlie Horse, who collapsed and died on his way to work in the city on October 23.

A horse spooked and bolted into traffic on Central Park South, prompting senator Avella to call upon Mayor Michael Bloomberg and City Council Speaker Christine Quinn to take immediate action to ban the horse-drawn carriage industry.

A tourist from North Carolina, Philip Powell, notified the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages (who in turn notified Avella's office) that he and his wife were walking by the carriage horse hack line on Central Park South at 11pm - not far from Columbus Circle - when one of the horses spooked and charged into traffic - running west before he made a u-turn on the congested street - dragging the empty carriage behind him. The horse then ran east on Central Park South and turned into the park at 7th Avenue where he crashed.

Powell was fairly close to the horse when he noticed him jerk his head upright and then bolt into traffic. He said it was quiet at the time. "It's an absolute miracle that the horse and no pedestrians were seriously hurt," Powell said. "The entire incident happened so fast and was extremely shocking. The horse took off at top speed and could not be stopped. He could have easily trampled a pedestrian."

When Powell and his wife finally caught up with the horse, they saw an overturned, damaged carriage at the intersection of West and Center Drive, just off Seventh Avenue.

"When we arrived, the horse was standing, but trapped in the gear. Several men tried to free him. They eventually left after a man led the horse away and some other men were cleaning up the broken carriage.

"The police arrived, joining what appeared to be a dark unmarked car with officials asking the crowds to get back."

Another eye witness, New Yorker Scott Graham, who was returning home from dinner, saw the end of the crash.

"The spooked horse ran as fast as he could into oncoming traffic, narrowly missing a few taxis," he said.

"The horse tried to careen into Central Park at the 7th Ave. entrance, but skid, hit the curb and flipped with the carriage, falling to the ground on his side. The horse then got up and ran off again into the park, with the empty carriage still attached.

"An unmarked cop car followed and I showed it where to go. It turned out the horse crashed again into a curb. He seemed fine but tangled in the harness. They were trying to cu him out of the tangle. The carriage was in pieces. It was the scariest incident I have seen since coming to New York."

Mary Culpepper, board member of the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages, said that as prey animals, horses are unpredictable and can spook at the slightest provocation.

"It did not have to be a loud noise. It could have been a shadow, an odd shape or rustling leaves that terrified him and caused him to run from the source of his fear.

"No horse is unspookable," she said. "This accident is consistent with what is known about the nature of a horse."

Coalition president Elizabeth Forel said that if it had not been for "two vigilant and caring tourists and a New Yorker, the public would not have learned about this accident".

"We suspect there are many more accidents like this that get covered up and not reported. Horses are prey animals and nervous, by their very nature. Running from what he perceived to be a danger, he became an unwitting weapon as he tore into traffic. It is fortunate that he did not get killed or kill anyone in his panicked flight," Forel said.

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Horse killed in accident on new A16 bypass



A new bypass near Peterborough was closed for five hours yesterday morning (2 November) after four horses ran on to the road, causing a collision with a car.
The car driver escaped injury, but one horse was seriously hurt and was later put down by a vet.

The accident happened on the A16 bypass, which had opened just three weeks ago.

Police say the horses escaped from a nearby field and got on to the bypass at Eye Green at about 2.40am.

The road was closed from 3am to 7.40am while the remaining three horses were rounded up.

A police spokesman told a local paper: “The horses were loose on an isolated stretch of road in the middle of the night.

“Due to it being pitch black at that time of the morning it was difficult for us to round up the animals, so the road was closed off until sunrise to ensure the safety of motorists and the horses.”

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LETTER OF THE DAY

Hope all is well down under. I got your recent DVD on vet problems "listen to your horses" and think it is great. I will never look at horses performing again in the same light.

Question - I know all horses will never be able for "english", but for these non-english horses are your running reins suitable to build their top line?

The reason I ask is that I recently bought an irish draft x cob mare, 16 hands high, 5 years old, heavy set, she is not designed for "english" but I still want to build her up and she is very weak and underdeveloped at the moment. She was fed on poor ground. I want to do the best for her and will worm her, give her your sand colic cure, increase feed but I also am considering your running reins but wondering if I am doing wrong by her by using the running reins since she is not designed for "english"?

Bottom line - are running reins good to build the top line of those horses not suitable for riding "english"
Question 2 - if it is unsuitable, what can we use for building up such horses?

I await hearing with interest.

Regards

Jimmy, Ireland.
 

Hi Jimmy. Congratulations on Winning the Irish Football against Australia this Week. I don't know who won the Fights though :)

Yes they are good for that Jimmy and the reason you can get away with it for Horses that in my opinion are not made for "English Disciplines" is that they are not carrying a Rider during your lunging and so you can get away with it. The only rare one that would start to show signs of unsoundness would be the one that already had a pre-disposition to being unsound anyway and so you will learn things about  the Horse that may be beneficial in influencing your decisions as to it's future and suitability for a Use. So go right ahead but building of course gradually, in time (5 minutes each way) and "Collection" Collection should only build commensurate with the athletic fitness to do so.

You have seen some of these before and after shots but this is for the other Readers. Best of Luck Jimmy.

 

Side Reins Muscle Groups.

     Before with Side Reins and after with Running Reins.

A top Preparation by an Owner.

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LETTERS OF THE DAY

Hi John,

Just wanted to send you some pics and ask you to cross your fingers for us. This little filly of mine was born on Tuesday afternoon (Melbourne Cup day).She has been very happy and healthy. Yesterday afternoon she began to gush salaiva from nose and mouth. Anyway, the vet tried to tube her but tube wouldn't go down due to some obstruction or stricture. Discussed options but a full hospital work up and treatment was too expensive with almost no chance of fixing anything. Poor little girl couldn't drink at all- any milk she took in just came out her nose. It was so hard to watch her battle for a drink and get nothing. Vet visited again this morning but still couldn't clear the block despite his desperate efforts. I had someone on standby to come and shoot her but with the vet's approval I decided to wait a bit longer in the hope it would clear before she collapsed from dehydration. Many tears today. It just isn't fair. Without a full investigation in hospital we can't know for sure what caused the problem and if it will happen again. Possibilities are stricture, bolus or foetal-remnant ligament. Anyway, I'm exhausted from willing her to survive. Others have been sending good vibes her way but the more the better. Would be grateful if you could send good vibes this way.
Photos attached.

Regards,
Vivienne
 

That's terrible Viv :( We wish you the best as I am sure all of my Friends do too :( It doesn't sound good though. Remember, Nature can be a cruel thing but it has it's purpose. We wish you all the best.

 

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Hi guys, I was just re-reading an article you had about the possibility of pasture affecting or causing locking stiffle/patella.

I have a filly who was fine when she came to me but developed locking stiffle after a couple of months here. After trying to find out all about possible causes supplimenting diet, corrective trimming, excersizing, so on & so on I found your article, could this be a chance?????????? I then changed her paddock to 100acres of flat to hilly native grasses, poor quality I guess but lots of it where after quite a few months she was almost back to 100% but after bringing her home again in 1 week she is back to as bad as ever.

Now I am thinking it must be the grass........I am wondering if you have since found out any additional info on this cause because you are the only place I have seen that touches on this and I would love to know more about this please. I have also been advised to put her in foal because of the relating hormones.

Any sense you can make of this would be great because you are the only people Ive seen trying to piece this all together.
I hate to think it is our farm doing this to her..... any help you can give will be greatfully received thanks, Kristy Smith. :)
 

Hi kristy. The only thing I can ask for on your behalf is that the Lady in Question will contact me again and I can put her in touch with you. There certainly appears a link to this though. I take it there have been Scientific Studies on this? There is a good chance the Lady may see this and respond. Stay watching. Cheers

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John,

We have a young race horse from another stable, who was going with his head on one side and throwing his head when you get over his neck. We tried a lot of dressage and different things and found he goes really well in a Market Harborough. He’s ready to start doing a bit of evens, friends in Victoria say they gallop in a Market Harborough. Do you think that would be ok? We don’t have it adjusted very tightly at all, but he knows when it’s not on.

Thanks for your time,

Georgia.
 

Not a problem Georgia. Smart Friends :)

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Hi , My name is Patricia Dukes Last Year not long after breaking my 3yr old young horse jumped out and ran at least 4miles on a main road before he was turned into a field . I walked him home ,he was very distressed. Since then he is fine with cars but not with big traffic. I turned him away next to firstly a railway line and then a main road, I notice that he will tolerate large traffic well as long as it is not very close then he will flee. He is back in work now and I'm ridding out with a local racehorse trainer so if I meet large traffic I can cover him up any ideas very much welcome !!. Patricia Dukes

Hi Pat.

I take it you mean your Horse Bolted???? Or just jumped out of the Paddock???

At any rate, the “Young Green Horse” must be eased into Traffic, NEVER thrown head long into heavy Traffic or Close Traffic. Early on. They need to be out with Company always, and shielded as you say. Over time, they can get used to it of course.

However, there are distance tolerances and Traffic heaviness tolerances that must not be crossed. It sound to me as this is happening to you and that you should be looking for an easier path for your Horse, on lighter traffic Country Roads say, especially where he would have suffered psychological shock on the Jump out Day and therefore memories of it. So much empathy and Common sense is the order of the Day. Whilst I have you, I must say that the MOUTHING SYSTEMS in your Country are way behind mine and it concerns me with the number of Deaths I see as a result of Bolting Horses. If you want to be truly protected in the future, look into my Mouthing systems perhaps. I can absolutely assure you that a lot of the Horsemanship in Britain has long been surpassed.

I have enclosed a complimentary e-book for you. The password is – wombat008

Kind Regards
 

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Hi there

Just wanting some help…. My 9 year old niece has a 16 year old gelding who works beautifully for her 90% of the time…. Certainly no dressage horse but she just wants to have some fun & do sporting events, trails etc… his problem is that he’ll do the first few pegs in the flag or bend then drop his head to the ground to pull the reins out of the kids hands & then pull one way to get his own way…. Whilst my niece handles him & gets him back on course.. it’s a little disappointing when she misses out on ribbons because of that and its frustrating for her… I’ve had his teeth done but wondered if there is any suggestions???

Regards
Kylie
 

Hi Kylie. This will simply be a strength thing versus ignorance and the integrity of the Mouth of the Horse. Probably an x racehorse to boot and of course that puts their Mouths at max 6-10 and often lower and way  lower. Either Re-Mouth the Horse or install a market Harborough on the Horse, to even up the equation. The bottom line is that she is a little too Young yet, for such a Horse. Regards

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Hi John,

I have loved your horse problems page for a long time - chock a block with helpful and interesting info!

I was hoping you would be able to provide some helpful suggestions for our particular situation.

We have recently had our first foal (horse owners for a long time but we have never bred before) she is a QH filly and came 3 weeks early, caught us completely by surprise! Mum is a 5yo maiden mare and had bagged up early, we had the vets out to check her over and all seemed fine and then one morning we had a new horse! The first week our filly seemed fine, full of beans and curious about the world, including me, she would come over and check out what I was doing and have a good sniff and blow with me - vet came and checked her on the first day, mum's placenta was fine and whole, did not seem anything to worry about. Then - one morning filly was sluggish and dull - I called the vet immediately, they came and took bloods and started antibiotics. Bloods came back as severe septicemia (which we suspected and were already treating for). Fill has come through it all in moderately good health, 2 IV transfusions of plasma and 2/3 intramuscular injections of antibiotic per day.

Filly was seeming much perkier, running around again but we decided to run another full blood set just to be sure - results came back she still shows moderate infection although MUCH improved on first time so we have been given more antibiotic to jab twice a day again. She is now 2 weeks old (so still 1 week pre expected foaling time). Our problem is the filly is now SO used to people catching her to take temperature or bloods or jab antibiotics into her but that she is extremely skittish and almost impossible to catch! The best way we are managing is to get her whilst she is on the ground having a post feed snooze and catch her before she gets up - not ideal. When she is up and we try and catch her she gets agitated and I can see the fear in her poor little face. We have not been chasing her around, more just stand in the one spot near mum (making a fuss of mum) and she comes and goes but whenever we look towards her or move slightly in her direction she is off!

Any suggestions? We want to ease her fear and trauma but she really needs to continue getting the injections too! We certainly don't want to continue teaching her evasion techniques which will make it harder to train and bond later in life!

Thank you for much for reading my info-dump! Any thoughts will be much appreciated!

Kind regards,

Nicole

Hi Nicole. Poor little thing and you can never blame them for this. They all get like this. You need to walk the Mum into a Box and trap her in there. You can't have her evading and learning the flight response but you also have to treat her and keep her training in tact. It will pass. Regards

 

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Welcome to the latest addition to the 'Road Runners Club' at the Tara Rise Equestrian Centre where the Head of Stud is dusting off her Halter Hat and getting ready to enter the fray She's only about 6 Foot High so I hope she can handle him :)

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I have just purchased (rescued) an 8 year old (or 6 – the owner couldn’t remember) Standardbred Gelding, 15hh (owner didn’t know how high he was either). He has shocking ground manners, no respect, hard to catch and tried to cow kick me several times while lunging him. I think a lot of this is bad behaviour allowed by the owner and his feet are so sore. His feet are severely overgrown (first thing to get fixed) and while attempting to get him into the float he reared up and tried to strike the owner with his front feet – she screamed, dropped the rope and he galloped off to the corner of the paddock. I should have walked away, but just saw something in this horse I think is salvageable in the right hands. I’m going to get the farrier out today as he has severely overgrown hooves, have the dentist out to do his mouth (he has wolf teeth in) and work on the respect issues on the ground. Building up his trust and confidence. He has been abused in the past by another owner, so he has a lot of “issues”. According to the “owner” the horse hasn’t been ridden in the 12 months she has had him due to her being incapacitated.

I would like to have him retraining (refreshed) by a professional before attempting to get on him myself and wanted to know how much this would be? He doesn’t appear to have a great deal of understanding of leg aids and she couldn’t tell me what his training had been in the past. She tells me he’s been on trail rides and she rides him on a very loose rein as he rears otherwise. Probably the wolf teeth!


Thanks
Pam.

Dear oh Dear Pam :) Then poor Horse!!!

You are smart to not get on him yourself.

We can do that and you should just treat it as an assessment. A couple of Days. Won’t break the Bank. Then you will know all and create a Plan.

Meanwhile, well done! Teeth, Feet, WORMING (twice in 3 Weeks and with different compounds) and TREAT HIM FOR SAND as he will be full of it. He may even have ULCERS  hope not for your sake!!!! But keep it in mind,.

Again, poor Horse 

regards

 

 

30th OCTOBER, 2011

 

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

Had a new Visitor this Week, a 'Chestnut Riding Pony Mare" ....couldn't ask for anything worse, could you? However, thus proving that you must take every Human and Horse as you find them and not be biased, she is a Darling Girl.

Direct from Nathan just Breaking her in and this is her first ride with Mrs. HP, the Filly down here for a little bit of "Green Horse' Polish.

and off to the Dressage today, Poor "Cappo' jumped up to Elementary :) He was a smart Boy and won the first test but we don't know how she went in the second one as the scores weren't up. Pathetic Score though, waste of time going to the Dressage for, no Quali for the State Champs and yet an ever perfectly behaved, well trained Horse fresh from winning at the Champs on both Days. 58% which on my reckoning is "sufficient' not yet "fairly Good" Luckily we don't take any notice of it but it is ironic to be winning and complaining. The point being of course, the damage to the Horse Industry done by low marking Dressage Judges. From Financial ramifications to Morale of Participants. Not good for the Sport.

One of our very good Young Riders being dealt a rough deal today. He sure can stick em though :)

 

VICTOR HARBOR HORSE DRAWN TRAM

There has been a 'right royal' uproar over the Death of this particular Clydesdale, which we now know died of Laminitis and I know how he got it. However, what interests me but may not have been picked up by those who have been fighting the Good Fight is the suspicious use of an appointed Vet for these Horses.

I remember that the attending Vet back when the Horse became sick was the late Dr. Harry Freunfelder who lives at Hahndorf (80k away). Now I see in this News Paper clipping, that the Council have now used Dr. Lindsay Young who is from over 100k away. (no reflection on both Vets who are great) However!!!!!!!!!!!!!........living One Killometre away is a very good Horse Vet (our Vet and the Vet of my Brother) Dr. Greg Suzan. So what's going on???????????????? I suspect funny business or Politics. If so, would you be risking the Welfare of the much loved and prized Horses, by relying on Vets living Yonks away?????? I wonder what is going on???

TIP OF THE DAY

 

"It is not about the Bigger Bit, it is about the quality of the Training"


F.E.I. BLOOD VOTE

The FEI are voting on November 11th in Rio that BLOOD dripping from horses mouths is OK in competition!!!

The German FN and Sjef Janssen agree with this ~ WHY??? ~ So they can WIN medals by openly abusing their horses, (tighter nosebands, harder hands, grinding teeth, horses biting themselves from pressure and tension). Dressage is supposed to be harmonious, relaxed with the horse in self carriage, remember?

Kyra Kyrklund is against it, as is Monica Theodorescu, Philippe Karl & Bea Borelle, Ingrid Klimke, Christine Stuckelberger and many many more...

Today you can voice up and sign the 10,000+ strong petition and its gaining momentum ~

SIGN it now, here:~ http://no-fei.com/
 

The German Equestrian Federation has had a change of heart and will not be voting in favour of the Blood Rule at the 2011 FEI General Assembly in Rio de Janeiro mid November 2011. FN secretary-general Sönke Lauterbach explained that "we wrongly assessed the reactions of our athletes, judges, veterinarians and members about the so-called Blood Rule."
Germany, one of the biggest equestrian nations in the world, initially was in favour of the Blood Rule in order not to restrict the country's possibilities to win medals at the upcoming Olympic Games. A gigantic group of disgruntled people reacted to Lauterbach's Pro-Blood statements and signed the petition, launched by Fair zum Pferd. Several members even cancelled their FN membership because of disappointment in the federation's stand against animal welfare.
The proposed Blood Rule, which was drafted by the International Dressage Trainers Club and supported by the FEI Dressage Committee members, allowed exceptions when blood appears on a horse. If it happens at an Olympic Games or major Championship, Grand Prix riders would get to opportunity to re-start their test after a medical examination of the FEI Veterinarian. The IDRC, IDOC and AIDEO were all against the proposed rule but the FEI Dressage Committee did not take their opinion into consideration.
Exactly the partial treatment of the elite Grand Prix riders caused a stir. "Of course no-one wants to see an injured horse in competition. The allegation was that the federation considers animal welfare less important at championships compared to national or international shows. We regret that this impression arose."
The many reactions and statements from judges, veterinarians, trainers, athletes and personal members of the FN against the Blood Rule forced the federation to rethink its position.
"We take the criticism from our own very seriously and we'll try to wipe the proposed resolution off the table leading up to the FEI General Assembly," Lauterbach concluded.
Sjef Janssen Calls Commotion "Unjustified"

Sjef Janssen talking to Frank Kemperman, Chair of the FEI Dressage Committee



While the German Federation made the right decision and clearly spoke out about their change of heart, Dutch national team trainer and IDTC board member Sjef Janssen considers the heavy criticism on his proposed blood rule "unjustified". "I don't understand all the commotion about the instatement of the rule," he said in his column on Horses.nl.
Sjef's misuse of statistics is blatant when he claims that "only" 5,000 people signed the petition. "Five thousand seems a big number, but compare that to all the people who are involved in our sport or registrered with national federations or the FEI. Then 5,000 is a joke."
According to Janssen the petition, which now has 12,000 signatures, is "started by people who are far from reality, far from modern times and from what matters." Major dressage figures such as Kyra Kyrklund, Steffen Peters, Anabel and Klaus Balkenhol, Wilfried Bechtolsheimer, as well as World Dressage Masters sponsor Antonia Ax:son Johnsson signed the petition.
Even though Janssen says "I don't approve of blood, let that be clear," he believes that a judge is not qualified to eliminate a horse from competition when it bleeds. "Blood is a signal that there is something wrong. In my opinion a specialist needs to step up and check what's wrong, like in the proposed rule. (...) To me it's irresponsible and not good that one judge takes this decision. Firstly he's a judge and not a vet and secondly it has to happen by someone impartial and knowledgeable."
Janssen's column makes clear that to him medal potential and hard money are more important than animal welfare. "Factors like national interest, sportive interest and the interest of the big investors which make or break the sport are also involved. It can't be possible that all these factors are jeopardized by a futility," Janssen stated.
The blood rule not only talks about bleeding from the mouth, but other bloody situations as well. According to Janssen bleeding can be totally harmless. "A popped vein in the nose or a horse that knocked itself and has blood on his leg and so on," he enumerated. "Elimination would be totally unjustified in such cases," he believes. "If it was up to me the rule would even be extended so that one should also look at sudden lameness, which arises spontaneously and disappears after a short while. These horses also should be able to make a come back in the ring."
Janssen is aware that the proposed blood rule is unfair to the majority of athletes competing at shows, who would not get the chance to re-start. "It's not feasible to make this rule happen at all shows, but for shows where large interests are at stake, I think the installment of the rule is very justified."

 

NEWS OF THE DAY

Saddlery & Horse Gear Swap Meet - Saturday, 5th November 2011 - 8.00am to 12.00pm
Organised by The SA Central Branch of the Australian Stock Horse Society.

Bookings
For bookings and additional information contact: Felicity Green
Email: flic.green@gmail.com
Phone: 0408373450
 

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Comparing positive and negative reinforcement training methods

They found that found that horses trained using positive reinforcement methods trained more quickly and showed less evidence of stress.  The research has been reported in the Journal of Veterinary Behavior.

What is the difference between positive and negative reinforcement? In positive reinforcement (PR), the desired behaviour is encouraged by giving a reward as a consequence of the behaviour.

A particular behaviour can also be encouraged by removing an unpleasant stimulus. This is known as negative reinforcement (NR). In this case, the reward is the stopping of a negative stimulus once the correct behavioural response is achieved.

Negative reinforcement is not the same as punishment, in which an adverse stimulus is given in response to the undesired behaviour. This results in the behaviour becoming weaker or stopping altogether.

Twelve horses took part in the study. All had previous bad experiences with trailer loading and their owners were now unable to load them.

Horses were randomly separated into two groups. The PR group received clicker training and were trained to follow a target (a yellow ball on a stick) into the trailer. For the NR method, an adverse stimulus was applied by pulling on the lead rope, or tapping the hindquarters with a whip. This adverse stimulus was stopped as soon as the horse obeyed.

Throughout the training sessions, the research team recorded heart rate, and noted signs of behaviour and discomfort.

Comparing the two methods, the researchers found that PR provided the fastest response to training. On average, the PR group spent less time on training sessions than did the NR group.

However, it was not always successful. One horse was not interested in the treats provided as rewards and so did not complete the training within the maximum 15 sessions.

The NR group showed significantly more signs of discomfort, but there was no significant difference in heart rates between the groups.

The researchers conclude: “PR ...provided the fastest training solution and resulted in less stress response. The PR procedure could provide a preferable training solution when training horses in potentially stressing situations.”

AND as usual, nothing was proved. Scientists need to stick to finding a Cure for Colic and stay away from Horse Training for they are not qualified to do so!

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Laminitis due to endocrine disorders

Hormonal disturbance (endocrinopathy) appears to be a common underlying cause of laminitis according to research from Finland.

The study, conducted between April 2007 and August 2008 at Helsinki University Equine Teaching Hospital, looked for signs of endocrinopathy in all cases of laminitis presented for examination. Almost 90% of horses with laminitis had endocrine abnormalities.
Hyperinsulinaemia, associated with obesity was the most common cause, accounting for two thirds of all cases of endocrinopathic laminitis. Cushing’s disease (or Pituitary Pars Intermedia Dysfunction: PPID) was responsible for a third of the endocrine-associated laminitis cases.

Dr Ninja Karikoski and colleagues examined 36 horses and ponies with laminitis. Thirty-two of them (89%) had signs of endocrinopathy.

A full report of the research has been published in the journal Domestic Animal Endocrinopathy.

Eleven horses had signs of PPID - hirsutism (long curly coat) and increased basal ACTH concentration or typical response to a dexamethasone suppression test.

Twenty-one horses had raised basal levels of insulin in the blood without signs of hirsutism. All but one of these hyperinsulinaemic horses were overweight. Twelve had a body condition score (BCS) of four, (on a scale from zero to five, where five is obese) and eight had BCS of five.

In fact, the authors point out that even more animals may have had underlying hormonal disturbances, as the tests used to identify them may not have detected all cases. For example, hormone testing to diagnose PPID was only carried out on those horses showing hirsutism. So horses with PPID that did not have hirsutism might not have been identified.

Again, some cases of insulin resistance might have been missed because measuring basal insulin is less sensitive than using dynamic tests for diagnosing the condition.

The researchers also grouped the laminitic horses according to type and compared them with other cases seen at the hospital over the same period to see if the risk of laminitis differed between breeds. Horses were placed in four groups: warmblood horses; ponies; coldblood and Icelandic horses; and other light breeds - such as Standardbred, Arabian, and Quarter Horse. The data showed that ponies were significantly more likely than were other groups to get laminitis associated with an underlying endocrinopathy .

The researchers conclude that, in this study, most cases of laminitis were associated with an underlying hormonal disturbance.

They suggest that endocrine testing should be performed on all cases of laminitis unless there is a clear inflammatory or gastrointestinal cause.
 

 

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Improving Training Efficiency In Horses

People generally exercise to lose fator build up muscle but it is an unfortunate consequence of hard training that muscleis often lost. To counter this effect, people may elect to take various dietarysupplements – legal or otherwise. But what can legally be done to help train sporthorses?

Recent work at the University of Veterinary Medicine, Vienna has shown that a specialmixture of amino acids and proteins is able to prevent muscle breakdown in horsesfollowing exercise. The findings are published in the current issue of the "Journalof Animal Physiology and Animal Nutrition".

It is well known that hard training can lead to degradation of muscle protein. Anumber of nutritional strategies have been developed to counter this but surprisinglythere has to date been very little attention paid to the situation in sport horses.Preliminary data showing that nutritional supplements given after exercise may alsohelp prevent muscle breakdown in horses are now provided by René van den Hoven andcolleagues in the Institute of Animal Nutrition at the University of VeterinaryMedicine, Vienna.

The scientists investigated standardbred trotters (horses used in harness racing)before and after intense exercise on a high-speed treadmill. Because proteindegradation within cells takes place by a number of different mechanisms, theresearchers investigated potential markers for each of the pathways. They alsoexamined whether the activity of the pathways was affected if the animals received anamino acid/protein supplement (developed for human sportsmen and –women) afterexercise.

The results showed that one of the classic pathways for protein degradation, the so-called ubiquitination pathway, was dramatically activated four hours after theexercise period, at least as judged by the level of messenger RNA encoding ubiquitin.This indicates strongly that the horses were breaking down protein in their muscles(by the ubiquitination pathway) as a result of heavy exercise. Importantly, theincrease could be significantly reduced by the amino acid/protein supplement.Changes to the other pathways studied were comparatively minor and little affected bythe food supplement.

Van den Hoven is cautiously excited by the findings. “It will be important toattempt to verify our results on larger sample sizes,” he says, “but the initialindications are that the use of a protein/amino acid mixture can decrease proteindegradation in trained horses and thus could have an advantageous effect on musclemass.”

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MAIN CAUSE OF EUTHANASIA IN OLDER HORSES

A research project funded by equine charity The HorseTrust has found that lameness is the most common reason for euthanasing a geriatrichorse.

This research is the first in the UK to provide data on the causes of death ingeriatric horses. Although post-mortem studies have provided some data regardingcauses of death, "old age" was previously reported as a common reason for theeuthanasia of adult horses.

The research was carried out by Joanne Ireland at the University of Liverpool and ledby Dr Gina Pinchbeck. Ireland surveyed horse owners living in the North-West andMidlands areas of England and North Wales who have a horse aged 15 years or older.918 owners of geriatric horses were followed in a cohort study and 118 mortalitieswere reported during the 18 month follow-up period, of which 111 were euthanased.

The researchers found that 24% of horses were euthanased due to lameness; anadditional 12% were euthanased due to laminitis - a common cause of lameness. Afterlameness, colic was the next most common cause of euthanasia, with 21% of ownersciting this as the main reason.

In an earlier stage of the project, the researchers had found that half the geriatrichorses surveyed suffered from lameness, but only 24% of owners reported theproblem.

"Although lameness is common in older horses, this is the first study to quantify itscontribution to their mortality," said Dr Pinchbeck.

"Owners are often missing the early signs of lameness in their horse, which means thecondition isn't being managed and may deteriorate faster. I would recommend thatowners of geriatric horses ensure their horse has an annual health-check from the vetso these problems can be picked up earlier."

Dr Pinchbeck said it would be useful to carry out further research into lameness ingeriatric horses to find out the main causes of lameness and how these may beprevented or treated. There are many potential causes of lameness in horses,including arthritis, laminitis and foot problems.

The research team also found that half of the horses euthanased were suffering fromconcurrent health problems and these influenced the owner's decision to euthanase in43% of cases. The most frequently reported additional health problems weremusculoskeletal problems, such as arthritis.

The mortality rate among the horses surveyed was 11 per 100 horse-years at risk,meaning that if 100 geriatric horses were followed for a year, an average of 11 woulddie. The mortality rate for horses over 30 years of age was over five times the ratethan in horses aged 15 - 19 years.

Jeanette Allen, Chief Executive of The Horse Trust, said the data provided by thisresearch is likely to provide useful information for both horse owners and vets toenable them to improve the welfare of older horses.

"As there are a significant number of geriatric horses in the UK, it is vital that weunderstand more about the health problems that affect them," said Allen. "We hopethat more owners of older horses will give their horse an annual health-check toenable the horse to have a longer, healthier life."

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Amputee soldier killed after being thrown from and crushed by a horse at charity parade

Sgt. Mark Stebbing, 39, was crushed to death in front of 5,000 spectators at Sandown Park
He'd had only one hour's riding tuition before event
Inquest hears he was given ex-racehorse while others rode more docile military animals



Inspirational soldier: Mark Stebbing was crushed to death by a horse at a Help For Heroes parade held at Sandown
A soldier who survived having a leg amputated was killed when he was thrown from and then crushed by a horse during a Help for Heroes event, an inquest has heard.
Platoon Sergeant Mark Stebbing, 39, had undergone just one hour of riding tuition before mounting a large former racehorse named William at Sandown Park, Surrey.
As Sergeant Stebbing was being led back to the stables after the event the thoroughbred horse unexpectedly reared up, sending him tumbling off the back of the 16-hand steed - around six ft tall.
The former national hunt racehorse then fell backwards, crushing Sgt. Stebbing beneath him, shattering his pelvis along with his ribs and back vertebrae.
Sgt. Stebbing, who served in the Gulf War, was treated in hospital, but later died.
As a Platoon Sergeant serving with the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (REME) in Aldershot, Hampshire, Sgt. Stebbing was hailed as a role model by many of his colleagues thanks to the way he dealt with his life-changing amputation.
The soldier had been selected to take part in the event because he had given fellow servicemen reassurance on how to cope with the loss of a limb.
He chose to have the dramatic surgery on his right leg in August 2008 after suffering complications when he broke both ankles during an Army drill.
His widow, Collette, told the inquest into her husband's death that her husband had been a keen charity fundraiser and had often acted as a mentor to younger soldiers who were living with similar injuries.

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She said: 'There were two soldiers who had been injured and he had to go and talk to them.
'There was a young man who went through the same operation so Mark went round to speak to him and showed him his own leg.'
Mrs Stebbing said that her husband had been looking forward to taking part in the Heroes Parade at Sandown Park, organised by Battle Back, an initiative offering adventure training and sports rehabilitation for soldiers, which was backed by military charity Help for Heroes.

Unprepared: Sgt. Mark Stebbing, pictured with with England rugby star Johnny Wilkinson, had just one hour of riding tuition ahead of the event
The Royal Engineer had only taken an hour-long riding lesson at Sandhurst Military Academy a week before the event and was feeling confident about his stint on horseback.
'He had been to Sandhurst for a riding lesson,' said Mrs Stebbing.
'He rode motorbikes and he did well in the lesson so he was allowed to take part.
'He was excited and looking forward to it.'
Other riders taking part in the parade on February 18 this year, were riding military horses but Sgt. Stebbing was given ex-racehorse William to ride in front of 5,000 spectators.
The original plan had been for seven soldiers to take part in a race but this was downgraded to a parade when there was not enough time to train the riders sufficiently.
There was concern when the horse reared slightly during the five-lap ride around the Surrey racecourse's parade ring but the soldier leading Sgt. Stebbing's was able to bring William under control.
However, as the horse and rider were being led back to the stable after the parade, William reared up again, only this time he could not be controlled and Sgt. Stebbing was thrown to the ground where the horse fell onto him.

Death fall: The accident happened at Sandown Park in Surrey and is best known for its racecourse
The soldier was taken to St. George's Hospital in Tooting, London, where he died on March 16 of bronchial pneumonia caused by the multiple injuries he sustained during the crush.
William's owner Carol Nash said that she had never known the horse to rear up before, and that it was used to being handled or ridden by different people.
However, she said she had been shocked when she learned Sgt. Stebbing had barely ridden before.
Other riders in the event had been given military horses from the King's Troop to ride, which the inquest at Woking Coroner's Court heard tended to be more docile, less easily spooked and more suitable for riders with limited experience.
'He went right over, which caused his injuries,' she said.

Charity: The event was organised by Battle Back and supported by the Help For Heroes campaign
'I'm not blaming anyone but it's very unfortunate.
'Thoroughbred horses are like Formula One cars and you have to treat them in a certain way, with a huge amount of respect.'
Mrs Nash said that Sgt. Stebbing had been using a custom-made saddle for William as well as her own stirrups, which she said would have been suitable for use with his prosthetic leg.
She said that it was likely that when the horse had reared up, as an inexperienced rider Sgt. Stebbing's reaction would have been to pull on the reins - which only would have made the situation worse.
A Health and Safety Executive investigation ruled that the accident could not have been forseen and that all procedures had been followed prior to the parade.
However, Lieutenant Colonel Reynold Blue who investigated Sgt. Stebbing's fall on behalf of the Army said that following the death he had recommended that at future events horses and riders should be matched according to capability, with injuries taken into account.
He said: 'At any event the competence of the rider should be assessed.
'There needs to be some form of standards assessment.'
He also said that horses and riders should train together prior to any event, preferably at the venue itself.
Surrey Coroner Michael Burgess recorded a verdict of accidental death.
'Mark Stebbing slipped off the back of the horse and in all probability him holding onto the reigns pulled the horse's head back, which would exacerbate the situation of the horse,' he said.

 

LETTER OF THE DAY

Dear John,

Thank you very much for your kind and quick reply! Wished you were here! Is the training you show on the DVD also suitable for a foal that is 10 weeks old by now? I have a stack of books and DVDs here but none of them is suitable for a foal that has not been handled straight after birth or the first few days.
I don’t know what happened to the foal until I found it, it was still wet but it must have gone through 2 fences and past my other mare. It tried to suck the fence post and was very scared. We could not come close to it so I fetched the mum who then tried to run away or kick because she was scared of her foal. I held up one front leg to give the foal a chance to find the udder but it just couldn’t find it. After 2 more hours the vet was here and sedated and milked her whilst the foal had a chance to find the “milk bar”. After that I literally had to throw the foal and keep it down with my body weight so we could set a stomach tube and get the milk the vet collected into him to make sure he had enough of the colostrum. The little colt then fell asleep on my lap.
Two days later the vet came again and had to take a blood test to check whether the colt had enough antibodies even though the mare had lost a lot of milk whilst running away. Again I could not hold him until he was down on the ground and I kept him there until the blood sample was taken.
SO with this story I had no chance to “imprint” the foal as so many suggest to do. He is very strong and very independent, lives now in a small herd with mum, another mare and a friendly gelding. He is the first one to run up to me when I come into the paddock and he keeps relaxed when he is laying down and I approach him. He stays laying down and I can pet and feed him. But no chance to even touch him with a halter or a rope!

I am sorry to burden you with all this but I am very desperate and also I want to avoid ordering yet another book and DVD that just sits in the shelf because it is not written for my situation.
Thank you so much for taking your time John, it is much appreciated!

Kindest Regards
Beate
 

Poor little One Beate. May I first say that I am not a fan of imprinting Foals and believe that it is a system invented to give Humans a warm inner glow and as a substitute for correct training.

In your case however, your Foal may have actually endured "anti Foal imprinting" or "negative imprinting" due to the drama that took place every time a Human came near him. This is not unusual when Vet's get involved with the young one's. Now, he doesn't trust you for he thinks the Pain is going to come again. Time then to get a Handle on this Foal immediately. Get him into a small Box with his Mum and simply put a webbing Halter on him and a short 2 foot rope. Keep them in for a Week and properly Halter break him and all the rest of it. He will then trust you for you will have proven yourself. Yes my Part 2 of the Foal DVD's now includes Halter Breaking the Feral Older Foal. Best of Luck

 

LETTERS OF THE DAY

I couldn’t access your facebook blog for whatever reason. Actually I’ve deactivated my page......anyway....I just want to say I’ve been googling a lot lately (yes, I need a life)...!00% natural horsemanship is like “beating around the bush” if you know what I mean.

I love the aussie way..assertiveness, leadership...fairness....get the bloody job done before the horse dies of boredom!!!

Jo

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Cheers Jo. I think the systems within this Country perform fairly admirably against the rest of the World. Thanks.

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John,
About a year ago I bought a 16hh ex-racer, I now realise it was a stupid mistake as I am only a beginner, but at the trials that I went to, he seemed okay and quite quiet. Then when we brought him home, he became attached to the horse next door to us, and whenever this horse goes out of sight, my horse will play up, he will whinny, walk backwards, it becomes nearly impossible for me to ride him, and even when he can see his friend, he is very keen and even a martingale won't keep his head down. Now I don't ride him at all, I only lunge him occasionally, he hasn't been ridden in months.
Regards,
Lauren, 15.

Bad Luck Lauren. At least you are only Young and can afford mistakes. The good news is that you didn't suffer an injury or lose your Life. Sell the Horse, appreciate the Lesson in Life and start again. 'Separation Anxiety" is part of the package with them, trained into their 'Battery Hen" existence. They are hard work and I could rattle on here for some time but I won't, due to the knowledge and experience that if you move on you will be far better off. Regards

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Hi John
A couple of quick questions for you. I have a Mare (rising 4) at the breakers ready to pick up next week, she has been hobble/stockwhip trained, one rein stop etc The Breaker has done 3 weeks of ground work and it will be 2 weeks of riding.
In regards to purchasing DVDs, would the green horse DVD benefit me as i don't ride dressage? Also the mouthing DVDs, even though she has had this work done, would it be beneficial for me to watch to get a better understanding of how to use it? Or any other suggestions that would benefit me.
Also i would really like my horse to be ridden on roads or at least out of the breakers property, just for my own peace of mind, as up until Tuesday she had been ridden in the round yard and had her first ride in the Arena on Tuesday.
i asked my Breaker about him road/trail riding and he advised that my mare is really good, not spooky/scared and that he doesnt think he needs to do it, i should be fine. Should i take the Breakers word for it or push for him to do it?
Last up, i noticed you had a section on Western riding, will you be doing a DVDs on this subject? Or can you recommend any good training DVDs? I don't want to show necessarily, i really only trail ride and round up sheep/cattle for fun but would love to learn and have a go with my youngster.
Oh and Clinics, any coming up in SA?
Sorry I've been saving them all up for one email.
Thank you so much
Sal
Will this go on the Internet???

Sure will Sal but I have changed your name so as to protect the not so innocent :)

Either the Breaker is incompetent or knows much more about the Horse and is keeping it from you. Either way, this is not acceptable. 3 Weeks Ground work is just ridiculous and a rip off and not having the Horse out of the Round Pen until now means they are Pussies. That means the Horse is not prepared well enough for an Amateur to ride safely and as for the statement that the Horse doesn't need to go on the Road when clearly it should, means that they are risking your well being. I suggest that you remove the Horse immediately, drop it straight to Nathan and get a complete assessment done (one hour) which may save your Life. Stop wasting your money. Regards

Thank you, I've already contacted someone who has expressed their interest.
Also, while I have your attention, I was wondering if you could reccomend a breed, height, gender etc. which would make a suitable horse for me, I'm considering getting a QH as I've heard that their temparement is quiet. I am 169cm, medium build, not too confident a rider, help?
Thanks,
Lauren.

Well done Lauren. You don't meet many that act so fast and make decisions like that. The Quarter Horse "With the Face of a Saint and an Ass like a Cook" is a wonderful Horse indeed, for the Western Performance Sports and the Pleasure Rider. So if that is what you are doing, you can't go wrong. However, if you intend to have a crack at the "English Disciplines" don't bother as they are not Bred for it and are not conformed to handle it. Regards

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Hi HP

I have a few questions for you today 

Raven: Raven is my big black TB that had the teeth issues leading to the rearing. He is going okay, he is working on the bit but not listening to my leg and I’m too scared to push his buttons incase he rears, so he is basically a pet at the moment lol. But I recently acquired a ASH Mare who he has buddied up with, he doesn’t have friends as he prefers to bully them. The other day they were scratching each other and he then mounted her with a hard penis and was biting her neck like a stallion and making weird noises....thankfully he couldn’t figure out where is was meant to go and she just stood there.

He is a gelding .... is this something geldings do because none of my others are interested in her this way. He has always been very cresty but I put this down to his windsucking. He is also a very dominant horse and very arrogant. I used to have an Arab Stallion and he had it all over the Stallion.

I can’t see anything between his legs but is it possible to test to see if he is a rig?

Coco: Raven’s Girlfriend – 6yr old ASH Mare

I bought this horse to save it’s life. It was skin and bone, covered in ticks, black scouring worm riddled poo 

She is now going well and I have started her in your running reins which she is picking up well. I have also been doing the I like your ass but I want your face, as she is a right bitch of a thing lol

She will NOT, no way on earth join up with me. She will face me, turn with her face to me, but there is no way on earth she will let me be the leader. Is this because her loyalties lie with Raven?

If they act like a Rig Kelly, they are a Rig. You can spend all the money in the World on Tests to tell you that he is indeed one or even that he isn't one but after that, he will still be one, for he is one. He wouldn't last the Day out on my Property. He would be at the Doggers. I don't do that lightly and haven't done it for many Years but Rigs, I don't hesitate.

Also when I put the bridle on her she trembles and clenches her jaw shut. When I try to take the bridle off, she trembles and clamps her teeth shut on the bit so I can’t get it out. I have to pry her teeth open. Once she starts working she forgets about it and licks etc. Any ideas what that’s about?

I’ll leave you with those dramas for now then I’ll ask you about my other two 

Thanks Heaps

Kelly
 

Memories of the past and perhaps abuse by a Hard handed Rider or a Teenager with Ego problems. I say that because if see it regularly when they will jag Horses in the Mouth through frustration and on one instance, Cut a Tongue of a Horse almost in half during a Temper Tantrum. Whatever it was, I would suspect the Horse is translating it's Fears and memories of the past to you. Get the Mollases out :) Regards

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Hi there,

I’m hoping you will be able offer some advice on a couple of sick horses.

We recently had 4 horses come down sick..Hendry of course tested negative.. First horse became very unwell and had trouble walking would stop for a rest then walk on, then he became very lethargic and started laying down in the stable, he’s back end area started collapsing with stagger like symptoms, he became very tucked up and lost significant weight, and then a vet had to be called as his conditioned worsened from moaning and groaning, to laying down and getting up every 15 mins, his back end became more and more weak as staggers set in bad, it would take many attempts to lay down to collapsing down, he started coughing up mucous which was mostly clear phlegm substance. He was taken to an Equine Vet Hospital where they couldn’t pin point the possible cause but more than likely it was cause from a Toxic Plant or Grass.. such condition was similar to that of Rye Grass Staggers.. he later that day had to be euthanized as his liver became quite damaged and it began attacking his muscles.

Horse 2 – on the same day suddenly had a staggered gait, no other signs other than that similar to a string halt where his back legs were lifted high when walking however uncoordinated, several days later horse is eating and drinking in paddock, shows no other signs however still has a stagger in hind legs.. Horse today has started being very stiff in the legs and dragging rather than picking them up most times.. was advised to give him Berocca to shoot up his vitamin b intake and 1litre of charcoal from the vet…

Horse 3 – Same day as other 2…horse suddenly stopped and refused to walk after a short trail ride, he started suddenly sweating and had small twitching like movements in his body, the horse had to be dragged back to the property as he was not interested in walking without persuasion..horse only shows a coughing sign after episode

Horse 4 – Original horse that became sick had flu/choke like symptoms, vet was called and was unsure of what the problem was, he was tubed with no blockages, green mucous coming from mouth and nose in copious amounts.. horse was given antibiotic shot and pain relief and advised to watch over him..bute past given as advised..horse remained the same for a couple days until vet was called again…vet advised to give horse Sodium Iodide over the next few days…horse became unstable on feet and started laying/falling down.. sweats and very tucked up…horse was given penicillin shots amongst electrolytes and has been able to be in a semi critical state…several days later horse is eating, drinking and staying up on legs, however still remains unwell.

We have been advised to continue horses that are left and see if symptoms remain over the next few days..

Can you please help us , our vets have been hopeless and we feel that is the reason horse1 had been left too long before treated properly. My initial thoughts when first speaking to vet was it had to be toxins of some sort whether from a grass or weed. I have been researching and most advise and articles point to giving the remaining horses mycotoxin binder, vitamin b shots and some possible herbal remedies. Any advice or help you can offer would be very much appreciated. We are still awaiting post mortem results on the original horse that was euthanized. Please find attached a small video from today of horse 2….

Regards
Liz
 

I'm sorry Liz but I can't, other than to say you should report it to Bio-Security and indeed the Vet should have done so for I read on their Site that if a "Group' of Horses get sick, it is mandatory reporting. I am since aware that they were not really interested. Lord knows. Perhaps they just wanted to rip us off with another Govt Charge. We have just been made to pay a $76 to Register our Property where any Person competing off our Properties have to quote a special Number when they enter a Dressage Show etc. ....but they aren't interested in your case. The mind Boggles. Best of Luck

 

You should be reporting this to Biosecurity Liz as any GROUP of Horses that get sick MUST be reported by your Vet.

Yes John, sorry I thought I had replied back to you. Unfortunately still no results from the Uni Vets on post mortem. Rang DPI and Biosecurity, no one seems interested, just said to keep in touch with Uni Vets. The 2 horses that are left I am treating for Toxins.. Giving KA Kidney Flush, Recharge Electrolytes, Dolomite, Seaweed, AG Solutions Mineral Mix, Stockhealth Apple Cidar Vinegar Double Strength with Garlic, Vitamin C Powder, Brewers Yeast and molasses mixed with chaff mixture and workhorse mix twice per day, with being in a grass paddock during the day time. A few days ago when he first started staggering bad I gave him several doses of 5 Berocca in 100mls to boost him. I am giving 40mls of 50/50 ACV down the throat twice daily, and 40mls of Recharge in the morning, plenty of fresh water, sometimes have to mix with molasses to get him to drink. I’m doing all I can with the research I’ve done and the little bit of help given.. have been told to monitor him from the uni until results are in. So far he seems slightly better, not so much staggering, just stiff joints sometimes weak. It’s been a very emotional past 2 weeks and waiting for someone to diagnose these horses is terrible..Thank you for taking the time to read,
Regards
Liz

Unbelievable????? best of Luck.
 

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Hello John,

I was hoping you could help me, my husband and i recently purchased a georgous paint yearling, we bought him from a well known stud whom have many horses in the show ring that they have bred and sold through out the country and beyond. The little guy had to travel via horse transport which his breeder uses and trusts to melb and then be picked up by another to travel over bass straight to Tassie by a old horseman that i know and trust we were told that he travelled well with no problems.

When he arrived and we put him in a paddock close to the other horses and let him go he ran around and around and would not have a bar of us at all not that i blame him. the only way i could move him was to follow another horse. After several days of building his trust and letting him get to know me i could finally put a halter on him but only using the natural method taking eye contact pressure off etc could i achieve this. We advanced to putting his rug on which was no drama.

BUT every day i go there to remove or put rug on or to say hello or for what ever reason we have to go through the i dont trust you fight and flight thing where he will run away several times before giving up. He is very very sensitive to touch, on the knees and below, flanks, rump, and does not trust me when i move to disengage the hind quarters to the point where he actually got away from me with the lead rope dangling around his legs. I am spending all my time with reassurance thinking we are getting some where only to have to repeat it all over again every time. I am using out of a scale of 5 only 1/2 to 1 pressure. I feel like we are 1step forward and 2 steps back. I know you are coming to Tassie in Dec but will not be able to attend your clinic due to prior commitments.

I was hoping to be able to show him but realize this season is a non goer.

What am i doing wrong i should expect at this age that basic handling would be ok i have bred two foals and still have one and she is now 12yrs old i did not encounter this much resistance with them.

His previous owners use the old method of bagging them out using rope to hold up their legs etc, i dont know exactly what is involved with this but it doesnt sound to pleasant, i can pick up all four feet with generous encouragement, he does tie up and lead ok. He was gelded a month ago and went through that with no problems i was told.

I have studied Parelli natural horsemanship 15 or so years ago to level 2, which i have always found helpful in attending to my horses on the ground.

If you have any helpful advice for me i will be ever so grateful as i love this little fellow and want to do right by him.

Thank you Allison
 

Whatever the case is here Allison, it is not your fault. Either the Stud didn't do the job they say they did (which I suspect and which often happens) of their system became to much for the Young Horse or the Gelding Procedure had a indelible affect upon him. However, what you have is the "Wild Horse Syndrome" made worse no doubt by him escaping from you. The key for me is to stop the "Flight Response" and the "Fight Response" For sure get straight onto your 7 Games but before that I would be teaching him to forget all about the run as the first response and the distrust. I would therefore immediately hobble train him, tying up, leg training, cut backs and trims, grooming, tied up for an Hour each Day and of course "join up with him" in a good Round Pen. I would have him yarded and not in with others. Boot Camp and basically Break him in other than Mouthing and Riding. Get a complete Handle on him, float training and the worx. Best of Luck

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I KNOW you would get this heaps ( lol) .. I'm not a basic bum , I know I still have loads to learn ( I WANT that to happen) but I am not a ning nong either .. Please dont judge me as a total horseworld LOSER, but just want to wrack your brains on something and hopefully come out the other end with some successful advice ...
I just purchased myself an Anglo mare, whos starting her endurance career . She's only just started this year, 7 yr old but qualified quickly and successfully with an amazing gait and heart . Just a massive moving horse . Pretty chilled out too, she was owned by a lady who was a bit like myself, not totally serious about endurance, just in it for the fun of it . previous owner to this one was a young girl that was supposedly a bit hard on this mares mouth .. The old owner i purchased from said she never noticed any difference in the horse from a bit to a halter so always rode her in a halter ( I DO NOT choose to do halter in situations such as the start gate of an endurance ride ! Lol especially not knowing the horse well) ..
I have ridden this mare 4 times now . Unimpressive ground manners . Not nasty just no idea / respect of personal space . One of my pet hates . I've been working on getting her to be comfortable in her own private space bubble , keeping out of my space and ground tying . All with noticeable, gradual success . During two of our outings rode her in a bit ( full mouth training bit. It's the only one I have handy right now) just to see what she was like . MY GOD full on head toss, chomp chomp, generally getting pissed off the whole time ! ( teeth will be checked ASAP) . I decided on the last outing to try a hackamore . We were out with 2 other horses on a trainer ride . Seemed alot better..
The issue I am going to have with her , from what I can see so far, is that she has been allowed to stay in front ALL THE TIME ( I hate this .. In front she is an amazing horse . Responsive, bold forward ,listening to seat etc . She prefers being on her own on the track . When I tucked her in behind the others, that's when the true colours come out . I don't blame her at all, if that's not what she is use to, of course she won't be comfortable with this . But I want to comfortably and safely show her that being behind is ok too . There was scooting sideward up track, into bushes , not listening and tossing the head up, and side to side , lining up the other horses etc ! I am not an amazing rider, but I love to learn and enjoy a challenge . First on my list is private riding lessons with this horse ( I'm not too proud to say I'm pretty sure it might be more me than her that needs work on ironing out these little things)
Can you suggest some things for us to work on to help make the behind situation more comfortable for everyone ? I am guessing keep going with groundwork ( she isn't soft to the rope halter at all on the ground, so this gives me an insight as to what she's like to ride in a halter I think ! Lol ) transition work in the saddle etc ?
I would really appreciate any helpful advice .
From a horse rider who WANTS to feel success from achieving and learning . Thanks in advance
Cheers

 

Hi madam. For sure the Ground work but this Horse tells me it needs remouthing, for unless you get the Horse completely responsive and accepting of the Bit, you won't be able to avail yourself of many of the training possibilities for her issues. Everything you say tells me she has a substandard Mouth and may in fact not have been officially trained to the Bit. OR the Bitless or Halters (as I find they do) have ruined the integrity of the Mouth she had. Having done that, you can only then have those lessons and to start availing yourself of the transitions and so on, to assist but back to the Trail Ride where she goes off when she gets behind, that is in fact because her Mouth has probably been such that when the Chips are Down, she has gotten her own way and been allowed in front. You need your new Mouth, your Dressage Softness and submission, to have her 'On the Bit' during testing and commencement of the re-education for this, where you will start with the front Horse being a long Neck in front of you only, until such time as she accepts that and then gradually building, foot by foot over time and only when relaxation is being felt. Now, this has to be tactfully ridden and with much timing and sophistication but building and building upon the success, you will be able to ride being One Horse and then you will be on your journey and search for more improvement as time goes by. Only "On the Bit" with inch by inch control, can you achieve this and only with 'submission' NOT THE HEAD IN THE AIR, can you. Cheers

 

 


 

 

23RD OCTOBER, 2011

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

VICTORIAN CLINIC ANNOUNCEMENT.

We were happy to finally announce this Clinic a couple of Days ago. This will follow a new format and include much more Crowd participation and inclusion. All Horses will have their own Grooms and all Trainers will have their own Strappers.

WANTED

Young up and coming and serious Victorian Horse Trainer to join us.

Go here for anyone interested.

Problem Dressage Horses with Mrs. HP 3 spots left each Day

Breakers - no spots left each Day

Problem Horses - vacancies available.

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We did a survey of our Agistees this Week and found that 'Maintenance' required attending to at Gainsborough, so yesterday we spent the Day tricking the place up and we shall be back there again on Tuesday.

Nathan has a full House but not without worries here and there. Due to the fact that he is now ever vigilant about "Listening to the Horses", he picks up on the slightest signs from Horses that may be not quite right. This week for interest, two such Horses were requiring attention. One needing 'Wolf Teeth' removed and another requiring attention to the Neck from pulling back on a longer rope as an unbroken Horse. Apart from that though, all going well. One particular Horse will be a mighty challenge however as it is a big strong Horse that went off like a Fire Cracker which saw assembled onlookers running for their Lives, where the Owner has told Nathan that she is physically challenged :( Requiring the Horse to be bombproof to being kicked in the back side upon mounting and of the Rider needing to lay on the neck of the horse to dismount. I wish him the very best of Luck :)

TEETH

As you know, we require the Teeth to have been attended to for Horses requiring re-education, re-mouthing or breaking in. This often catches People out if they have only had a Horse a short while because there are great difficulties in getting a good Horse Dentist in a timely manner in South Australia.

The best Horse Dentist in South Australia is Dennis O'leary, but he is very hard to get as he books out Months in advance. (If only the Vet's were better trained) ....apart from Vet Lindsay Young at Mount Torrens who is very good at Teeth..

You know about the diminishing quality of Morals in our Society and seeming to be rife in the Horse Industry. Well such 'DISHONOURABLE People are now attempting to Manipulate Dennis O'Leary, by ringing him and telling him that they have an URGENT JOB as the Horse is going to JOHN O'LEARY, where Dennis O'Leary makes a supreme effort to assist us and work in with us, because of 'Honourable Dealings" Well, to those smart asses who have been trying him on, saying the Horse is coming to me or Nathan when IT IS NOT, he is too smart for you. Such Horses will only be done at Gainsborough as a result from now on, to control Crooks. You see, the A Holes always ruin everything for the Nice People Would you believe he has had a couple of these lately? On was told he could do the Horse at Gainsborough and suddenly and shortly after, oh, the Horse had gone lame hahahahah.

"Honesty is the best Policy"

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Sea Fog over Victor Harbor Today.

The Roses are out.

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ADELAIDE RIDING ACADEMY

Mrs. HP worked with Shannon Wendt yesterday, on Coaching, with a new Pupil for the Adelaide Riding Academy.

which is being set up at Gainsborough, to provide a full and proper 'Curriculum based" Riding and Horse Ownership Course which is way over due in this Country. Shannon will be utilizing the intellectual property of Horseproblems Australia, Horselaw Australia and will cater for those entering the Industry. This is her own stand alone Business, supported by us.

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PODCAST OF THE WEEK

Over the Back

 

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Why did this Horse to this?

This is the Classic example of why we just released the "Listen to your Horses" Dvds. Right across the World, right now, there are hundreds of Thousands of Horses like this, going through their Day in Pain and not being "listened to"

This Horse has is UNSOUND!!!!!!! and has every obvious attribute as to why it is unsound. It has every indicator that it is unsound and they all appear throughout the DVD and 150 Page E-Book. Such a shame. I don't have to educate you any more as you should be well versed by now. You tell me.

 

I must say here how proud I am of the Australians. Of the hundred or so comments on the Vid (no doubt from USA) basically a small handful even thought about what may be wrong with the Horse, including the entire assembled Judging Party at Lexington Champs who all said the Horse was exploiting the Rider whereas, on my Friday Night Quiz on Facebook with 250 odd comments, almost all saw the Veterinary in one way or another. You go Ozzies :)

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THE LATEST BRITISH HORSE FLOAT ADVENTURE

 

One has to respect the work and Money they must have put into this so I mustn't be too cruel but things don't change in Britain. Lalalalalalalala You pick the Dangers and the lack of Horsemanship, the lack of Horse wants and needs????

click on me

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GARYOWEN CHAMPIONSHIPS.

  If your Horse ever gets a Face like this Folks, urgently change your ways or exit the Industry

 

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GOVT RECALL OF HELMETS

Weatherbeeta Pty. Ltd.—Dublin Onyx Helmet
PRA number: 2010/11428
Date created: 17th February 2010
This recall was closed on the 11th June 2010

Riding helmet with removable peak and web harness.
Identifying features
Manufacturer's date 09/2009 and 12/2009
What are the hazards?
The outer shell can be pulled apart from the liner manually, therefore not offering the full protection to the rider if there was a fall.
What are the defects?
The outer ABS shell has not been glued sufficiently to the inner EPS liner in production.
Dates available for sale
1st December 2009 - 16th February 2010
Where the product was sold
Nationally
Traders who sold this product
Sold to Horseland Stores as part of the Horseland franchise network since December 10. Other equestrian retail stores nationally who are independently owned and not part of the franchise network. At this time of submitting the notification, the full list of traders is not available - we have contacted all our stores regardless of whether they have bought the helmet or not.
Supplier

Return the helmet to the retail store of purchase for assessment.

 

Saddlery Trading Company—Equi-Prene Pressure Eze Dressage Girth


PRA number: 2011/12348
Date created: 16th February 2011

Product information
Product description
Neoprene girth for dressage horse riding discipline
Identifying features
Model nos. GTH52XXX-XX and GTH53XXX-XX
What are the hazards?
If the defect occurs whilst the girth is in use, the girth could break resulting in serious injury to the user.
What are the defects?
The elastic holding the buckle points may have been overstitched, causing weakness and possible tearing of the elastic.
Dates available for sale
1st August 2009 - 16th February 2011
Where the product was sold
Nationally
Traders who sold this product
See attached supporting documentation.
Supplier
Saddlery Trading Company
Supplier's web site
http://www.saddlerytrading.com
What should consumers do?
Customers who have purchased this product from 1 August 2009 to 15 February 2011 should immediately stop using it and return it to the place of purchase to obtain either a REFUND or a credit for replacement.

For more information contact Saddlery Trading Company on 07 5438 2222 or go to: www.saddlerytrading.com
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LETTER OF THE DAY

Wow 100 000?! That must keep u busy! thanks for the reply. I have bn reading through some of your articles and like your sensitive yet no nonsense approach to training & problems.

I recently purchased a mare, abt 10yrs old. She is off the veld with no human contact; as wild as they can get. She is hanoverian x percheron so is huge!
I'm busy taming her. After some persuasion she let's me stroke her all over without a fuss, even sensitive areas like between the eyes & under the belly etc. I started leading her which goes well until she spooks or refuses to go forward. She then simply breaks free and runs. My problem is I obviously cannot hold on. I don't want to go any further with her training until I have this leading 100% under control. I've never hurt her and don't think she has any reason to fear me, though she's obviously still very nervous & suspicious of everything.

I can imagine what u must b thinking. A 16hh+ wild horse in the hands of a novice, what an idiot. But I'm not just giving up, I love horses and working with them probably more than actually riding. So any help would be greatly appreciated. Waiting in angst Esme  South Africa

Well you have come to the right place Idiot The greatest system on the Planet for Horses such as this comes from the old Horsemen of this Country and if you are wise, you will embrace it for although I am a big Fan of Natural Horsemanship and user of it, such Horses that possess the "Wild Horse Syndrome" will not respond in a safe manner and would take Years anyway. Been there done that, got the T Shirt :) Further, you have already made the Horse worse than it was, by it's escaping from you and now have a fistful of a Problem. I hesitate as to what to say to you here for there is not the time or the room to explain, so I shall just give you dot points and if you want to go further, email me back and forth. Here are your steps.

  • You must have a Round Yard
  • You first must "Join Up" with the Horse.
  • You must then Blindfold it's near side eye with a Black Rag, using the brow band and ear piece. Be stroking the horse softly and proceed down the shoulder, knees, pasterns, WITH THE BACK OF YOUR HAND with the touch you would use on your first Lover :)
  • Stockmans Hobble the Horse (Own the DVD)
  • Don't work outside the round pen
  • Collar Rope the Horse and handle it properly.
  • Train it now the 7 Games in your spare time
  • Stock Whip Train it with it Collar Roped.
  • Get on it bareback with it collar roped. Many times
  • Mouth it.
  • Train it to tie up (using a neck strap protector)
  • Pluck your Rosemary Beads and Ride it :)

You made the statement "I'm not giving up, I love Horses", then you now have your only opportunity. Take it or Fail!!!!!  Regards

ok that was a mouthful, I lost you after 'join-up' after that are you referring to pat peralli's methods? Is monty's not enough to do the whole trick? ive tried the join up method and still trying to figure out if it worked for us (me and marion the mare) as she showed all the submissive signs (ear locked on me, licking + chewing, dipping her head) but thats where it stopped. no matter how much i tried she doesnt walk up to me, even with the right body language. I approached her in the end, and where i am now im stuck, i can rub her all over but she flips and runs off when i bring out a halter and lead rein or try picking up her feet etc. shes not putty in my hands the way those pretty monty join up vedeos shows. For this reason im weary of trying out these 'communication' methods with her, as i am not confident enough to know if im doing the right thing- what if im doing it all wrong and i make a muck up of my horses phyce all together? My biggest fear is that i cause more damage, my second biggest is that i go and buy all these cute gimmicks, gadgets and dvd's and end up waisting my money. Monty didnt reply when i mailed him some questions, neither did any one else but you.
And which of these people, ie monty pat and whoever else claims to be experts are coming to south africa soon to give us a live demontraition and allow for questions?!?!
i feel like im stuck between a rock and a hard place. but thank you anyhow for you trouble of answering again, defenitely appreciated.
"get on it bareback with it collar roped' u said. i dream of that day

Then you have some decisions to make. You said nobody answers you and that you WILL DO ANYTHING to succeed. Well you have your chance. Now.

  • Monty's system IS NOT A BREAKING IN SYSTEM
  • pat's system IS NOT A BREAKING IN SYSTEM
  • NH is NOT A BREAKING IN SYSTEM
  • and there is only one system that will handle this Horse.

Ditch Monties join up and go do mine. 2 Minutes. That is your first task and you HAVE to complete it.

 

Anyhow, I'll leave it with you but you asked for help and you got it. Cheers

 

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LETTERS OF THE DAY

Hi John,

I have a 10 mth old colt who’s behaviour has changed over the past few weeks.

He tried the other day to mount our pony mare and he is getting rather “excited” when they groom each other over the fence. He has also started to nip a lot. When I groom him it is the same story.

I found out by accident that he loves to play. So he now has witches cones and balls to amuse himself with. He will carry these around (and anything else he can get his mouth on) and lye his front part – and sometimes his whole body on top of the toy or what it might be. When the other horses have a roll he will run and try to jump on top of them too. He will try to do same to the dog, and I have even had the feeling that he sometimes wants to do same to me. He does not rear up, but he is “quite in my face” when I walk into the paddock.

He is halter broken and a delight to handle in all other areas. I am just not sure if he is bratty, if this is just play or if it is time to geld. It has always been my intention to geld him. I understand that every horse is different but always thought that 12-18 months was the “normal” time to do so.?

I have not talked to a vet at this stage and not sure if his testicles has descended. At the moment I am a bit confused and trying to find out if all his behaviour is normal.

I have tried to find books/DVD’s about foal behaviour and handling. Is there any you can recommend.?

Thanks, Charlotte

This is completely normal behavior Charlotte. Happens heaps. The Industry is littered with 'Man Eating Stallions" that have become so due to People playing Games with Colts. You must be a total LEADER, the BOSS but a Friend and never unjust. You should immediately get him out of your Space and therefore train him right now to the 7 Games for the Yo Yo Game will be one of your most valuable weapons in the future. You should also be completely training him to 'leg restraints" for many reasons but one immediate benefit will be his respect for you and the putting of him back into his box and put you back in control with ease and little skill. Get a 3.6m Proper Lead Rope and he should be in a Rope Halter

Best of Luck

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Thank you so much!! Your dvd's and information have been a total 'light bulb' moment for me! I am, unfortunately, one of those Pony Club coaches but I never really conformed to their way of thinking. I always knew there had to be a better way, and there is!! I don't even own a horse at the moment and am an instructor and treasurer of a local pony club and until I found your dvd's (a google search on 'horse problems' after I had a girl come off and break her collar bone because her pony had no 'front brakes' at all - literally nose on the chest and wouldn't stop) I struggled to get the kids to really think about their riding and how what they do affects the horse on all levels. Now I have confirmation that what I believe in works and I am incorporating your methods into rally's. Slowly at first, you know how these mobs run! I did a few years with dog training and competing my German Shepherd in agility events and am a big follower of clicker/positive reinforcement training which crosses over to your methods of 'Reward and relief' the instant you get a response and then build on it! That's exactly what I do with my dog!!

So I want to say Thank you to you and Mrs HP for sharing your methods and thoughts. I am now really looking forward to getting my next horse and a pony or two for my girls, as well as incorporating your methods to the kids in my pony club. I will continue to gather my collection of your works and watch them over and over. It all makes sense to me now!

Thank you so very much!

Megan
 

Thanks Megan. Much appreciated. You are a legend indeed and will no doubt save Lives.!!

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Hi John (and or Linda),

I own a 12 yo standardbred who had a negligible racing career which ended in 2003/4 after winning a massive $86 from one third placing :D

I have had him for three years now and due to my current life situation (writing up my doctoral thesis) I have minimal time to ride him so he has lost his fitness.

I have a question mark over his soundness and after reading many of your articles I believe he is telling me there is something wrong.

His near hind steps a bit short at trot (sometimes and others he is fine) and is obviously ‘different’ at the canter on the lunge (especially on the right rein), after warming up it is less worse :S

He lives on 160 acres of gentle hills so has plenty of natural exercise to keep his joints relatively strong and his general muscle tone reasonable.

I am coming to a cross road as far as riding him goes, we never progress very far before I run out of time to keep up the training or he develops a short stepping gait and becomes testy and revved up. It took me half an hour to settle him down enough to get a four beat walk out of him a couple of weeks ago after he had done a reasonable amount of work with his previous owner. I believe that he was telling me he was in pain.

When he is asked to canter (very infrequently with me) he tends to pigroot (pain??) and to get revved up.

However when we break into a canter (accidentally) he shows no sign of a pigroot and is more than happy to continue.

OK to my question . . would you be willing to assess him for soundness?

I assume he would have to come to your place and be agisted there so if you are willing, what would the likely costs be?

If you believe he is sound enough to carry on I would also like some work done on his canter and riding out alone.

He is a beautiful willing, honest horse (my coach loves him to bits) but I am at a stage where I need to know that he IS sound enough to ride and if he is going to offer me what I need (to ride a couple of times per week as recreation).

I used to work for a horse dealer in the UK and rode anything and everything but now (I’m heading on for 50 yo) I just want something I can enjoy safely when I have time. This boy needs constant work in order to keep him sensible :S

My coach has suggested selling him on in order to get something more suitable but I don’t want to do that if he is unsound.

If he IS unsound I will retire him at our current agistment so there is no bad end to this story, I just have a question that needs answering.

I look forward to your reply.

Thanks

Sam
 

It is not easy to pick these with their funny Gait idiosyncrasies and so on. Of course we can assess him for you Sam. Anything for the Standies   I'll email you.

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Hello Mr and Mrs HP,

I read with real interest your comments about Donna and Linda on her last ride at the end and I thought that I had to share this with you both.

As I told you, I bought a 2 yr old, lovely natured, Standardbred filly about a month ago.
She had a lot of issues about anyone touching her chest at the front. She would lay her ears back at really try to bite you if you even stroked it. One day last week I decided to percevere and try to resolve the issue that she had. After trying to bite 3 times at the very touch, I said aloud, "What happened to you Arti?" Immediately, a picture came into my head of a needle stuck in her chest that had twisted as she moved. It came out of the blue. I said to her, "Oh Darlin', that was horrible, it will never happen again". I could not believe what happened next and it was witnessed by the girl who was with me. Lotty let out a huge sigh, turned her head into my stomach, cuddled in and as I put my hand on her poll, she lowered it to the floor and kept it there whilst I stroked her. Somehow, she KNEW that I had received and understood. I stroked her chest again and there was not a tiny bit of resistance. In fact, now, 2 days later, it is her favourite 'Itchy Spot!'
Horses are amazing if you open your mind and don't think that you are crazy, imagining things that are not real - because they often are.


Regards,
Maureen

Wow Maureen. Great story!!!! Lovely Girl, lovely Stables!!!! Where's the Chooks :) Well done.

Dear Mr and Mrs HP

I was so sorry to read about Bella and her recurring lameness. Poor girl, after all her and Linda have worked for and achieved, I can only imagine how heartbreaking it is for you both.
Have you ever tried Glucosamine, horse strength, from 'Equine America'? I had an old TB mare whose point of hip was broken by a kick in the field when she was 18 years old. By the time she was 22, she was very stiff and crooked in the hindquarters and had trouble even getting on her feet if she was laid down. The Vet told me that the kindest thing would be to put her down, but I had bred her myself and someone recommended the E.A. stuff. Within 4 days she was like a different horse, in fact, I brought her back into work and rode her for the next 5 years. She died very suddenly whilst I was grooming her, of an anurism in the pelvis, but the day before she had galloped 2 miles down the old rail track - she was very keen when she was on a roll and I hadn't learnt about the remouthing! I did try another brand, but she became lame again after a week, so I think the E.A. stuff is the best. If you havn't tried it, I can send you some, free of charge of course, because it might be worth a go?


Regards,
Maureen
 

Yep Maureen. Last few Months we tried all those things. It was a tragedy as she was probably the best Horse in the Country and the only one in this State who could do the moves with no leg 

xx
 

 

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Hello John,

I was hoping you could help me, my husband and i recently purchased a georgous paint yearling, we bought him from a well known stud whom have many horses in the show ring that they have bred and sold through out the country and beyond. The little guy had to travel via horse transport which his breeder uses and trusts to melb and then be picked up by another to travel over bass straight to Tassie by a old horseman that i know and trust we were told that he travelled well with no problems.

When he arrived and we put him in a paddock close to the other horses and let him go he ran around and around and would not have a bar of us at all not that i blame him. the only way i could move him was to follow another horse. After several days of building his trust and letting him get to know me i could finally put a halter on him but only using the natural method taking eye contact pressure off etc could i achieve this. We advanced to putting his rug on which was no drama.

BUT every day i go there to remove or put rug on or to say hello or for what ever reason we have to go through the i dont trust you fight and flight thing where he will run away several times before giving up. He is very very sensitive to touch, on the knees and below, flanks, rump, and does not trust me when i move to disengage the hind quarters to the point where he actually got away from me with the lead rope dangling around his legs. I am spending all my time with reassurance thinking we are getting some where only to have to repeat it all over again every time. I am using out of a scale of 5 only 1/2 to 1 pressure. I feel like we are 1step forward and 2 steps back. I know you are coming to Tassie in Dec but will not be able to attend your clinic due to prior commitments.

I was hoping to be able to show him but realize this season is a non goer.

What am i doing wrong i should expect at this age that basic handling would be ok i have bred two foals and still have one and she is now 12yrs old i did not encounter this much resistance with them.

His previous owners use the old method of bagging them out using rope to hold up their legs etc, i dont know exactly what is involved with this but it doesnt sound to pleasant, i can pick up all four feet with generous encouragement, he does tie up and lead ok. He was gelded a month ago and went through that with no problems i was told.

I have studied Parelli natural horsemanship 15 or so years ago to level 2, which i have always found helpful in attending to my horses on the ground.

If you have any helpful advice for me i will be ever so grateful as i love this little fellow and want to do right by him.

Thank you Allison
 

Two possibilities Allison. Either the Stud has been slack in their handling and just gave the Horse Heaps a Week before it left for you or indeed they were rough with the Horse and it's personality was such that it was detrimentally affected. I can't tell from here. However, regardless, you need to bite the bullet and get the Horse sorted. Basically break it in (other than riding and mouthing) immediately. Tied up, join up, the 7 Games, rugging, the works. Softly softly won't do it. Be assertive but kind. Regards

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Hi John,

Pardon me for interjecting - but i felt like the poor lady enquiring about blue fly veils the other day might be after some clarification on your statement, on WHY... (i am very particular about this also) i dont think she really wanted to know if it was ok to have pastel blue rather than royal blue!!

The issue with ALL coloured fly mask/veils is that horses simply cannot see well through ANY other colour but black. It's the same with humans - if you stand in a dark room on a sunny day it is easy to see out, but if you stand in a bright/white room and try to look out into a darker area it's near impossible. So (and i think this is what you meant as well John, you weren't just picking on blue!) when you get into horseland and are bedazzled by every colour under the sun, your horse really won't appreciate you picking a white one, a blue one, or a purple plaid one that matches your saddle blanket!! Just stick to black and they'll be happy! :)

Cheers,
Sally.
 

Fair enough Sally. Only put Black on them :) Cheers

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Hello
I was wondering if you could help me with a pony that I am riding at the moment.
I was riding him when all of a sudden he started trotting then cantering and since I am only a beginner rider and never cantered before I fell.
How do I stop this kind of behavior?
Thanks a HEAP
 

Hi Maddy, this wouldn’t be the Ponies fault, it would be yours. When Learning, the vast majority start grabbing with their legs and of course to the Horse, this is the accelerator. I have seen hundreds of these cases. The Learner Rider also then leans forward as they go into the phoetel position, which also tells the Horse to run faster and then of course, many also start screaming in the ear of the Horse and then you have Bolting. So back to the drawing board. You should not be out in the open, you should be taught on the lunge until riding properly perhaps and on the right Horse of course. If I can pass one thing onto you for the rest of your Career, it is “Never Blame Horses” as it is NEVER THEIR FAULT!!!!

regards
 

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Greetings from a wet and windy ireland Mr. H P!

I have used your mouthing system on horses for the last two years and find it very effective. Technically I guess i am not a professional but have started over 25 horses now so i am not really an amateur either. I did come across a situation the other day with a filly who was progressing very well with her lateral mouth training. She is a bit girthy and sensitive to touch but is well handled and everything was going by the book. I had got into the saddle twice and the third time sat fully into it. She reacted by simply collapsing onto the ground. I havent had this reaction before and wasnt quite sure what the best thing to do would be. So i got off gave her a breather and tried again. she was better this time but still considered dropping again. I finished the session with her just standing with me sitting on her. Is there anything I should be doing in your opinion to help her get over this? The whole thing seems to have overwhelmed her despite the fact she was doing very well up to that point.
I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on this.

regards Laura

P.S could you see about sending some of that sunshine you have there over this end of the world? thanks!
p.p.s sorry to see you guys get knocked out of the rugby last weekend guess it'l be an all blacks world cup
 

Hi laura. Poor you. I hate depressing Rain. I just walked outside for you and got some. click to enlarg

A most unusual one but you get that with Horses. She is either overwhelmed or a neurological problem perhaps but either way, a lot of it is likely to be mental. Put a set of Hobbles on her and jump on bareback. Get off, get on, increasing the time from 10 seconds to staying there at leisure, Pet her while you are there, scratching her on the side of the wither where Horses Groom each other and use your lovely Voice. Assess her. I suspect it could be the Girth grabbing her as she expands to support your weight. Check your girth. DO NOT BE USING A STRING GIRTH. These days the comfort girths are the Go.  These things are a process of elimination and experimentation. Thinking outside the square. I know she isn't the type but she could go into an involuntary bucking frenzy, just in an effort to handle the mental block so work her through it slowly. Another of the many systems. Pony her off another Horse and get all over her off it. Everything but sliding on her fully. Walk and trot. The South of Australia doesn't follow Rugby. We think it is a silly bloody Sport We call it "Smelly Bums" hahahaha. Regards

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ANOTHER INCIDENT OF THE WEEK.

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Dear HP,
I have been reading your website for a while now, thanks for the info. I thought that you and your readers might find this piece of information useful. I have an insulin resistant pony (founder prone etc) how has to be confined and low suger hay most of the year. Due to agistment setting he is on sand. I have tried many different mats to feed him on with varying success and have found the most useful to be a 1.8m by 2.5m strip of synthetic turf. It is extremely hard wearing but more importantly it isn't slippery and any sand he kicks onto the turf drops in to the "pile". This is easily removed every week or so so he isn't eating that sand. I discovered this by accident but it is the best discovery I have ever made. Obviously the mat needs to be properly edged so it doesn't unravel. Incidently I feed him from a small holed hay net (hooves can't fit through the holes) properly attached ("greedy steed" standard 5cm hole net) and he gets 2% of body weight hay daily.
Hope you find the turf idea useful,
Regards, Delwyn
 

Thanks Delwyn. Great advice and I shall place it on one of my articles. Regards

 

 

16th October, 2011

 

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

FERAL AGISTEES

Sadly, but for the good of Horses, an update on the Sad Death of the Lovely young Horse who died in a Paddock, the cause of which is commonly believed by those who visited, to have been a Heart attack. I would normally not accept such a hypothesis but I can on this occasion for these reasons. The young Horse was:

  • Obese
  • Not worked adequately
  • and OVER RUGGED in the Paddock with a Mob of Horses. (Typical Hackie Owner)

Yes, they may well blame the Messenger but all will know the Truth. Horses pay the price in the end, for inadequate and iresponsible Horse Ownership and let this be a good lesson but doubtless not learnt, to all Hackies who suffer from an Over Rugging Sickness but don't know it.

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RIDING SCHOOLS

Got up at 4.30am and set Sail for Gainsborough, with the Bobcat in Tow, to start repairing some of the Damages of the Winter Storms and Feral Agistees. Had a bad Trip when I lost a Wheel off the Trailer due to a Bearing giving way and paid the wonderful price of $330 to have it picked up and taken for us :( However, out of all things bad comes good or should come good if one has the right attitude in Life and would you know it, the Truck Driver had two young Daughters who had been taking Riding Lessons at a Riding School for the past 12 Months but had Volunteered to stop (non Horsie Mum and Dad) because they had stopped Learning anything.

So I was happy to advise him that we had seen this for many Years and met Thousands of Pupils who were not equipped for Horse Ownership or the Riding of Proper Horses and that at Gainsborough, there is commencing the first 'CURRICULUM BASED' Riding School being set up, backed by the Intellectual Property and Risk Management of Horseproblems Australia and Horselaw Australia and run by Shannon Wendt. People need to be warned that there are Riding Schools out there as we speak, carrying on UNINSURED!!!. Go here for the Details.

http://www.horseridingadelaide.com.au/

anyhow, finally arrived at 9.30am in time for Bacon and Eggs kindly cooked by the lovely Shannon :)

Then I lost $50 worth of Diesal due to a loose Injector Nut whilst working on repairing yards and

REMOVING 30 Bags of Manure and Meadow Hay, kindly left by a Ferral Agistee Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

and rebuilding a Yard and Stable that had been trashed by ANOTHER FERAL AGISTEE who owns a Metal Rake is is a Lazy Bustud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 Tonne of Sand and a Tonne of Gravel Base in the Stable Floor.

Then commenced building and finishing the Site of a new third Round Pen that has just been made custom made in readiness for Shannon Wendt Learner Rider starting.

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LISTEN TO YOUR HORSES DVD

 

Thank you for the fab piece of kit which is so much better made than the stuff you get here in the uk. My pupils shall try it and i predict that you will get more orders from the uk soon. Also thanks for your listening dvd. I passed the test and got them all right. Finally i don't need to feel or be treated like a crazy person any more for refusing to teach most horses because I think they are sore...vets are equally ill informed here as well. Chiros and vets not consulting each other and noone knowing what a supple horse should actually look like...thanks for all your generous work and for having the mental strenght to be unpopular.
Susanne (uk)

ps: i cried 'with linda' when she used Bella to show why she can't ride her any more.
 

I cried too Susanne :( I was Sad for 3 Weeks as I had to edit it :(

Remember the Horse there on the front Cover of the DVD Slick? To remind you, this was the lovely Horse in Holland, that had been through a string of Trainers for Years and had only got to the 4th Level Grade, due to PROBLEMS WITH CHANGES and a Head slinging as seen here. You may remember my prediction about this Horse, that being that he is not right and will not get right. Anyhow, Par for the Course when we label a Horse as unsound, many move Heaven and Earth to prove you wrong (none ever have) to the detriment of the Horse. Well of course he was then sent to yet another Trainer in Holland, a Male with strength and he has been Competing the Horse ever since. Guess what???? He is still at the 4th Level Folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Owner has been paying 250 EU a Month for the privilage of being a 'Pig Headed' Woman but she is now decided to "Speak with the Trainer" and demand answers!!! I wonder when she will learn to 'LISTEN TO YOUR HORSES?"

as an aside to put it into perspective, the lovely Boy below is now ready to compete at the 4th Level.

GAINSBOROUGH DONNER BELLA

I'll update all here Suzanne. I can confirm to you that during her final Words, as she sat on Bella, you were actually seeing a most Mind Blowing event in the Communication of Horses.!! Several things occurred there as Linda was Speaking, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HER CAREER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Never done it before.

  • She was Grunting and Moaning as she listened to Linda announce that she was retiring her that Day,
  • She pawed the Ground
  • She stretched out like a Grey Hound as she stood
  • and she did not want to Stand and wanted to go.

Never before. In other words, Bella completely understood the Words spoken by Mrs. HP.

5 WEEKS ON

Mrs. HP got Bella out of her Paddock, to give a Girl a Lesson on her. SHE WAS LAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She was WALKING LIKE A CRAB, bent through the Body and had reverted back to her original injury with the Vet, 8 Years before. Only CORRECT DRESSAGE Training and athletic preparation had kept her Sound throughout the Years. Even though she was NEVER lame in the slightest, it was us "Listening" to the little subtle signs that proved our diagnosis.. The sticking of the left Leg in Walk Pirouettes at Medium level and above, the late changes to the left and then finally at the last comp but for the first time, the not wanting to Canter Pirouette left, not wanting to half pass Canter to the Left and going around a complete Corner in Canter Canter when not asked.. "Listen to Your Horses" :(

 

NATHAN

TIE UP COLLARS

is very busy and has a Full House. He has had a set back with one young one that did some injury to it's Poll when pulling back on a Rope that was longer than perhaps desired and of course. The Chiro has been and we await improvement. Young, unbroken or suspect Horses should wear a Neck strap, until they are safely trained to tie up proper.

Another very interesting Young one came yesterday when I was there and it has trust issues, tying up issues, ear shy issues and stuff like that. On meeting the Horse briefly last Night, whilst doing a Repair in it's yard. The young Horse was telling us a few things by frantically wanting to be 'Joined Up" to us and if we parted ways in the Yard, you could see the stress in the eye of the Young Horse that it couldn't satisfy us both. :( I wonder what has gone on there????? Later, when I left the Yard, I was picking a few Thistles out of a nearby Garden and the Horse was obeying up and down the Fence as I went. I wonder what he is saying????

A Riding Pony for Breaking in and a big Warmblood coming tomorrow, owned by a Top Dressage Rider.

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Meanwhile, on the Home Front, Mrs. HP is continuing on with her Young One, getting ready for her first Show Competition which is always an exciting time to swee a Young one enter a Dressage Test, wondering what it is all about and to se how they handle the Judges Cars, the Arena and even entering the Gate at Trot can be confusing for them. It is all a learning curve :)

 

LEG RESTRAINTS TRAINING and Gainsborough Donner Cappo

We went for a Drive for an Hour and a Half the other Day and when we returned, here he was having climbed through the Fence but left a back Leg hooked in the bottom electric (plastic) Wire. He was most impressed when our Car came into the Driveway :)

 

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HORSELAW

Glimmer Paint Horse Stud Hi John

WB has now breached the 2nd part of the court order with me by not collecting the horse by 14.10.11.
I’ll contact the court / tribunal and seek permission to sell it. I’ve contacted ACCC. They will accept the brief from me for assessment. Lets hope they take on the case – they can fine him up to $122K as an individual or $1m as an entity. Graeme (below) contacted me and spent some time talking on the phone.
His next step is a letter of demand setting out the differences between the advert and the horse he received.
He is probably quite capable of lodging something at the tribunal – and now there is a Prior.

Keep letting me know about others as they turn up. Oh, and now that Glimmer Paint Stud has a listing at ACCC, the complainants can also contact ACCC.
Give me a couple more weeks and I’ll send you a summary to put on your site.

Thanks for your ongoing support.

 

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NEWS OF THE DAY

 

Woman dies after fall from horse

Saturday, 08 October 2011 17:22


Police will prepare a report for the Coroner after a woman fell from a horse and died at Winchelsea earlier today.

It is believed that the 34-year-old woman from Elliminyt had taken the nine year old gelding out for a test ride and was returning to the owner’s property when the horse bolted.

A friend of the woman alerted the horse’s owner and both women went out looking for the horse and rider.

At approximately 12 noon the rider was found deceased on the side of the road in Swaby’s lane.

The rider, who was wearing a helmet, had sustained fatal head injuries in the fall.

The horse was located a couple of kilometres away on a farm property.

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Driver Charged in Accident that Killed Horse, Injured Girls

The driver involved in a September accident that injured two girls and killed a horse has been cited for speeding and failure to keep right on a curve. The fines associated with those infractions total between $342 and $514, according to state law.

According to the accident report completed by state police, a “contributing factor” to the accident was a “lack of any reflective gear and illumination that were required of the drivers.”

The accident took place at 9:55 p.m. on Sept. 16 when Claude Errera, 45, of 56 Deerfield Lane, Bethany, crossed the center line on a Fairwood Road and struck a horse ridden by a 15-year-old Bethany girl.

Police did not release the name of the rider because of her age. She was riding with two other teenage girls at the time of the accident. She suffered a concussion and two broken fingers and was treated at Yale-New Haven Hospital, police said. Another suffered a sprained ankle.

The horse, which was named Honey, was struck head-on and died at the scene from internal injuries, according to police. They later determined that Errera was not on his phone or under the influence of alcohol.

Errera told police that the girls were riding three abreast, while the girl of the horse that died said they were riding single file. A diagram release by the police showed the riders were slightly staggered. Not quite single file, nor three across.

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16-year-old who struck horseback rider in September charged with three misdemeanors
Sarah Moffitt, The Park Record




Lacey Picard in an undated photo prior to the accident last Labor Day that nearly took her life....
On Wednesday, the Summit County Attorney's Office formally filed charges against the 16-year-old driver who struck Silver Creek resident Lacey Picard, on Sept. 5.
Picard, 37, was horseback riding along Silver Creek Road when the driver ran into her, killing her horse and sending Picard to the University of Utah Hospital in critical condition, where she remained in a coma for weeks.
The driver has been charged with three misdemeanors including reckless endangerment with a maximum sentence of one year in jail and/or $2,500 fine. Aggravated cruelty to an animal, with a maximum sentence of six months in jail and/or $1,000 fine, and careless driving which carries a maximum sentence of 90 days in jail and/or a $750 fine. The Park Record does not release the name of minors charged with crimes.
Summit County Sheriff's office said the teenager may have been speeding and driving distracted at the time of the accident.
In a statement released by Summit County Attorney David Brickey, the charges were presented to Picard's family and her attorney who were "supportive of the charges."
Picard was recently transferred to the South Davis Community Hospital, an assisted care and rehab facility. She can open her eyes and blink, but is still unable to communicate, fellow Silver Creek resident Dawn Bowes told The Park Record.
According to a blog created by Picard's friend, Aubrey Sauer, to update friends on her condition, Picard sustained a massive traumatic brain injury and
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multiple fractures in the accident. She is still unable to communicate and unresponsive except for occasional eye contact.
Picard worked as a chiropractor in Holladay and has lived in Utah for five years.
She was uninsured at the time of the accident and her friends have set up an account in her name to help cover the medical costs. To find out more visit loveforlacey.wordpress.com/how-to-help/.
The driver is scheduled for her first court appearance on Nov. 4 in Third District Juvenile in Summit County.
Lacey Picard's family released the following statement on Friday, Oct,. 14: Lacey Picard ("Lacey") and her family, through her attorney, John P. Ball of Parsons Behle & Latimer, make the following statement. Lacey sustained very serious injuries as a result of a tragic accident that occurred on Labor Day on Silver Creek Road, Park City. Lacey was thrown from her horse after being struck by an automobile. She sustained numerous injuries including a traumatic brain injury. Lacey remains in a coma but her condition is improving slowly.
Lacey and her family are thankful for all of the community support they have received throughout this ordeal. Lacey is currently in a long-term care facility and will eventually move on to a rehabilitation center when her condition improves.
Lacey's family believes that this tragic accident can serve as a reminder to all drivers of the significant danger of distracted driving. Distracted driving has caused, and continues to cause, serious accidents in Utah and throughout the country. Lacey's family asks that all drivers pay more attention when driving and refrain from the use of cell phones and other technological devices that distract drivers.
We all look forward to Lacey's recovery. A fund has been set up to help pay for Lacey's care and rehabilitation. If you would like to contribute to this fund, Lacey's family requests that you contact Wells Fargo at 6480 Highway 224, Park City, UT 84098, Attn: Danny Clark/Lacey Picard Donation Fund or Mountain Life Evangelical Free Church via Facebook Cause Page at the following link, http://www.causes.com/causes/634702-lacey-picard-fund.

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Driver, passenger, horse OK after Eagle County collision
Woman's car strikes horse on Interstate 70 near exit to Wal-Mart

AVON, Colorado — An Edwards woman, a friend and a horse are all bruised but fine after a Thursday evening accident along Interstate 70. Auto-horse accidents usually end much worse than this.



The horse, owned by someone pasturing sheep north of Avon — who didn't want to be identified for this story — somehow slipped away from camp, and early Thursday evening ended up on the interstate near the Post Boulevard exit — the one that leads to Wal-Mart.

That's when Jill Hughes and her friend Elif Kiral were driving from Vail to Hughes' home in Edwards. Hughes was momentarily distracted by the sight of a woman running alongside the road and several cars parked on the westbound highway on-ramp at Post Boulevard. After looking to the right, she looked back ahead to see a horse in the road.

Hughes had time to hit the brakes and swerve, so she and the horse basically sideswiped each other.

Hughes drove to the main Avon exit and met police at a convenience store there. Her car was damaged on the right side, and Hughes and Kiral both suffered some minor cuts when the passenger-door window was shattered by the collision. After a quick trip to the emergency room, Hughes said Friday morning that she and her friend were OK, but still shaken.

The same was true of the horse.

After the accident, the horse was captured, and Mountain Valley Horse Rescue was called.

Rescue group president Shana Devins came from Eagle to Avon with her horse trailer, and local large animal vet Shiela Fitzpatrick was called to check on the animal.

The horse spent the night at a Gypsum ranch, where Fitzpatrick checked it again in the morning and a search began for the owner, who recovered the animal late Friday morning.

Devins said the horse was also shaken, but not badly injured.

“Everyone was very fortunate,” Devins said.

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A 20-year-old man from Broken Arrow is in critical condition after a pick up truck hit the horse he was riding.

Broken Arrow Police were called to the intersection of East New Orleans and South Lynn Lane around midnight after reports of a car accident. Officers say Michael Wick and another person were riding horses westbound on New Orleans when the accident happened.

20 going on 50 :)

Authorities say 35-year-old Andrew Caldwell was driving drunk when he hit the horse Wick was riding. It took several officers to move the horse from the intersection.

The animal died at the scene. Wick was transported to Saint John's Hospital in Tulsa where he is listed in critical condition. Authorities say Caldwell was arrested on suspicion of Driving Under the Influence and is being held at the Broken Arrow Jail

 

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Car VS. Horse on Pennyrile Parkway

CHRISTIAN COUNTY, KY (10/13/11) – On Wednesday, October 12, Kentucky State Police (KSP) Trooper Derek Smith responded to the scene of an accident involving a vehicle and a horse.

Once on the scene, Trooper Smith found that 20-year-old Greensburg Indiana resident Kayla Flint had been traveling down Pennyrile Parkway with one passenger, 24-year-old Daronna Gorrell. Flint’s car had just passed the 16 Mile Marker when a horse walked onto the Parkway. Flint attempted to avoid the horse, but ended up hitting it. The vehicle was severely damaged and the horse was killed in the collision.

Both Flint and Gorrell were slightly injured in the accident, but both denied medical attention.
According to the report filed by Trooper Smith, four more horses also wandered in onto the Parkway. Another one of the horses was also hit in a separate accident. The other horses injuries were so extreme that it had to be euthanized on the scene.

The other three horses are being held until the owner can be located.

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LETTER OF THE DAY


I have a website don't know if you looked at it haven't been adding or putting up videos lately though.
I used to be in NH mostly parelli but also know and have looked into john lyons , Clinton Anderson (from australia), dennis reis , etc. There are alot of horse trainers coming out these days. At least here in the states. Different person teaching parelli type training. But they always try and market it a little different. Tired of the whole NH Thing!
I used to be in NH for about 5/6 years and taught myself to get through level 1,2 and some three. Was even better with no help at all or lessons with parelli certified students then a person who auctually studed with pat herself!
I think the whole horse training here in the states is severly missing in some areas! I talk about his on my website but will give you the short of it.

From where I sit, as an outsider from the Country, I think the Culture of your History may be holding them back. The endless acts of Cruelty on Video that I see put on my Facebook Page by People here astounds me and there is no doubt that many sections of the Industry in your Country think that Cruel is normal. Your Calf Roping, Racing Weanlings, the shocking Soaring and Saddlebred Sport and more. Frankly, I think that is what is holding them back over there. Unless you can trule let go the past and arrive at a place where the Horse comes first, we are always wrong, that there are no bad Horses and the like, they can never progress. Which is why everyone is inventing a new type of Natural Horsemanship and making out it was theirs hahahaha. It was very interesting for me on the side lines, to watch some of the big names evolving because they thought they had better do so, into NH Animals, when deep down and behind the scenes, they weren't :) Thanks God I didn't fall for that and led the charge against the movement becoming Pentecostal over here.


1.Training based on a philosphy is 1 problem! For example: I once read a testiminial about this lady who had to go to level 4 and then some to get her horse to finally back. Philosphy training in action because the philospy is we have to be the leader and since we are the leader the horse will move away from the pressure because we are driving the horse back with a mean look and shaking the lead rope. However if she would of TAUGHT the horse to back up then she wouldn't have had to go to level 4 n the fourth place! If I had that horse in training I would of walked up to the horse shaked the rope while poking or pushing him back. Now I am teaching the horse. When I shake the rope it means you are suposed to back up! Don't get me wrong the parelli nh type syatems are great for unknowledgeable and does definately have it pluses. Like relaxing and not gettng afraid which can make your horse scared etc. But as a training program it lacks much!

To quote Pat :), that's called "Paralysis of the Analysis" Yes, I agree, together with the $$$$ that get in the road of it all.


2.Thinking every horse who bucks rears etc is disrespectful when it is usually verterinay related is another! Clinton Anderson pushing this hard! C is one of my Readers, as is his Mate Larry. I will take some credit for that if you don't mind :)


3. The (Teaching System) is highly flawed! Creates a horse who gets really really confused and wants to run away instead of stick around and learn! Example: Asking the horse to go to the left. Step one point left. Step 2 swing carrot stick. Step run at horse while swinging stick. This usually has the horse going some where by now. And when the horse finally goes the right direction after being slapped with the stick he finally gets the release. whats wrong with that? As the horse progress on down the line and learn new things using this if you get it wrong I will beat you training. Me may try to do as you ask but when he doesn't know what you want he will run because he knows you are going to come at hat him with the stick until he manages to do something to make you quit pulling jerking hitting.

Because I have never been Hostage to systems and beliefs but taught by 25,000 Horses, I have never had the problem. They taught me that it isn't all that difficult and doesn't need huge technical explanations. If you ever want to ask the Horses this question, go watch some Videos of NH Training and then go watch the eyes of the Horses working with me. That'll answer the question.


Let me know what you think. I would be interested if you put this on your website I bet you will have all kinds of pissed off nh devotes cursing you. I'd be interested in helping them though if you want to send them my way. Or just post this for them to think about!
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Not from here I won't, because the whole subject has settled down here and become more balanced. The Public have taken it on board but now not to the diminishing of any other system. When Uncle Pat arrived on these Shores, all those Years ago, NH became like a Religion, to the point where I remember even Pat thinking it was :) I have told this story before so appols to others but He was at our South Pacific/Asia Equitana and he was riding a Horse along a Rail of an arena with about 3,000 People packed 10 Deep all around and two Grand Stands, one each end. As he rode down the long side, he said this......

"I wish I could anoint you and you and you......as he pointed from on high. I don't know why but in one of those split second moments of silence, I yelled "Praise the Lord". Pat's Head spun that fast that he actually saw me and yelled back with a Grin, "Hallelujah Brother" :) That was the moment I thought I would level the Playing Field :)

Don't get me wrong, eveery Person should know the 7 Games and every Horse should be trained it. Horses that are, together with other stuff, are better than those that aren't.

Best of Luck.


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LETTERS OF THE DAY

 

Hi Mr HP,

I would prefer if you didn't put this on your web site as it may involve legal \ court action.....Sorry, its a bit of a long story.

When I bought a horse in Jan this year, I contacted a large saddlery chain regarding purchase of a saddle and a consult\visit by their resident saddle fitter. The saddle fitter had been recommended, and they run full page ads in HRCAV magazines.

I advised them of my budget ($3k) , saddle requirements (dressage) and the horse's breeding and dimensions (13.1, round, quarter horse x, just over 3 years old)

They brought out various saddles and a few saddles were tried on the pony, only 2 were deemed to fit well enough to consider. I test rode in both, and picked the saddle with a better feel.

As the pony was young, he wasn't being worked a lot, and after becoming what I assumed was muscle sore, I had the physio work on the pony, and turned him out for about 3 months as he wasn't overly happy. (I did email you back then about the pony - he wouldn't let his tummy be touched and would swish his tail and kick up at his tummy - I did end up feeding him with your recipe as I was all out of ideas). After being turned out, he was still a bit touchy, but after many vet visits, we concluded that he was anticipating pain, rather than being in pain.

So 6 months after the iniital saddle purchase, the pony was ready to come back into work. , Before commencing with riding again, I had the physio out again, dentist, and the same saddle fitter. The saddle fitter charged me $90 and said the saddle was still fitting and needed no adjustments. I mentioned at the time that my pony had been quite sore, hence the purpose of their visit.

A few weeks later it go to the point where the saddle would slip backwards, sideways and needed adjustment during the ride.
I was advised by another person (an instructor that I'd known for a long time) that my saddle was too long for my pony's back and just didn't fit properly. I'm no expert, so opted for a second opinion from another saddle fitter that I had not used before, but came highly recommended.

This new saddle fitter agreed that my saddle was too long, and my saddle also had padded gussets around the front\pommel, which would be intended for a horse with narrow withers, not a round wide pony...... So that was 2 things wrong with the saddle. We tried on about 6 different new saddles, and managed to find one that was not too long for his back, fit me ok, fitted his wither properly and did not sit too far forward on his shoulder. It was obvious that this saddle fitted properly, as the pony was totally different to ride - he stopped hopping into transitions and was much more willing and forward. (he was quite ploddy previously)

I wrote a letter of complaint to the manager of the store asking for resolution given that I'd been sold an inappropriate saddle. They asked for the details of the new saddle fitter that I had used, and I had nothing to hide so gave them the info. I got a call back a week later saying that they did their job properly and the saddle was fine, I should have called them back instead of buying a saddle from someone else, and basically my pony was a "growing pony". They offered to take the saddle on consignment in the store.

Maybe they thought he would grow into the saddle????? Given that I had the saddle fitted 6 months after the initial saddle purchase, it seemed pointless paying another $90 for a 10 minute look at a saddle that "fits fine".

I've had the saddle for sale on forums and horsedeals for a month, but no luck selling it so far. I'm really annoyed that I'm out of pocket and even worse, my poor pony has had to put up with an ill fitting saddle for so long. Luckily he is such a laid back good natured pony......

Do you have any suggestions? I was thinking of consumer affairs, however I imagine it would require reports from various experts as to why the saddle doesn't fit etc.


thanks
 

HI madam. Bad Luck. This Saddle Fitting Game is a Nightmare. Not enough is known about it, not enough is taught about it. It should be included in every accreditation Curriculum but isn't. A very difficult issue to go to Court on as the arguments and opinions can be many. Best of Luck but it is the job of Consumer Affairs...that Pathetic organization that is supposed to act for you but usually doesn't. Regards

 

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Hi Mr. HP,
I wanted to seek your advice on a horse we are looking at buying :-) he is a 6 year old QH gelding and is almost perfect under saddle, oviously still young but for a 6 year old he is pretty bombproof. His only down fall is that he simply can not be caught in a large paddock unless you catch him unguard or simply get him into a corner (this is what the owner suggested). Once he is caught he is fine and rarely makes a fuss. The second problem he has is being a bit 'flighty' at sudden movements, for example if you move your hand too quickly towards his face he flinches a little or if you walk at him too quickly he will back right up. I noticed that after a while he got used to us being there and wasn't as bad, and he trusted me more because i treated him with kind and gentle hands and tried to tell him i was not there to do him harm. I beleive he must have been abused at some point in his life and beleives that quick actions from arms or a rope or anything you're holding means a smack! Apart from this he is really a lovely horse and i would love to buy him but was wondering if there is anything that we can do to help him over come these problems? is it fixable or could he be set in his ways? keep in mind this horse is only 6 and has never seen anything apart from when he was broken in and when he gets pulled out for a ride every 6 months. He is also on 300 acres of flat paddock with 1 other horse so he doesn't see much :( any advice you can offer would be great :) P:S i always enjoy reading your articles and im a fan of natural horsemanship and if we do buy this QH i plan to start teaching him the 7 games and maybe progress onto some more :)
take care,
Andrea

Hi Andrea. There are many things you can do to assist him of course and the 7 Games is one of them, for the learning and realization that swinging Ropes and Arms only mean go here or there, thus eliminating the distrust. You should also train the Horse to "join Up" and you should ensure that his Paddock Mate is one that wants to be caught and will never be influenced by the other. Preferably a Guts. :)  Train the Horse to like you. That is the big key. You do that by being a fair and empathetic Rider with appropriate rewards and never any injustice. Your Horse could simply not want to be caught due to a Rider with Spurs in the past or many other things.  Good challenge. See how you go.

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Hi John,

I was just reading your article on Myler bits and it has prompted a question...and I am needing advice.

Six months ago I was contacted by a lady to see if I would take in an 18 year old thoroughbred that was rescued from a barbed wire fence and was starving. He was skin and bone, but we have plenty of grass and I am a sucker - I hoped he would be a good companion for my gelding.

Gradually he has put on weight and he is a really good sort. To build some muscle on his top line I started to lunge him just for exercise; to my amazement he lunged to command with no hassle at all. I did notice he was gnashing his teeth together when he got a bit stressed - mouth open and gnawing. I had a loosed ring snaffle in his mouth.

So, the other day, I got brave and hoped on, not knowing what to expect. I had to pinch myself. I have ridden dressage horses for many years and was shocked; this horse is very well educated - rounds up really well with very little effort and is very forward. I only rode him for about 20 minutes mostly walk and trot, with a little canter. HOWEVER ... When I would bring him from the walk to the trot, he kept putting his tongue over the bit. And when he was walking he was obviously stressed as he started gnashing his teeth again in a nervous gesture. I had a friend watching him and he had his teeth champing together (almost grinding) and mouth open most of the ride. I didn't feel he was about to explode or anything like that and he certainly relaxed through his back as the ride went on, but he has obviously had a pretty hard time of it before - I would say his brain has been fried through pressure. Further, as he puts his tongue over, he locks one side and I don't have a lot of control. I also have a Cavesson on him, but I haven't put the flash strap on yet. I am not sure if tying his mouth closed would create more stress on him and make him react more.

I looked in his mouth and he has a fairly wide tongue cavity and a long narrow tongue.

My question is ... Do you have any opinion/evidence/proof if a myler bit might help with keeping his tongue under the bit and/or his comfort. Him being 18, I am not going to be able to 'reeducated' him ... I would say it is a habit now and the way he gets relief. If you think it might help, do you have any advice on what Myler might be of assistance. I have a loosed ring myler that I use on my other gelding, but it is too small for this fellow. I really don't want to go and buy another bit - if there may be something else you think might be beneficial.

Sorry for such a long winded diatribe, but any advice from you would be helpful.

Kindest regards

Leanne

Hi leanne.

Big Subject and one that a lot of flying blind goes on. I always worry when this happens for there has to be a reason. For you they could include the following:

  • Habit if from the Racing Industry and always having Tongue tied down.
  • A genuine Veterinary Problem such as Breathing, thick in the wind, scar tissue and the like.
  • Mouth Pain, Teeth pain.
  • Choking.

another indicator but virtually always missed, PAIN. That pain can be coming from anywhere but may be triggered by 'Collection" if you are asking this. The Horse may have been a Race Horse, he is 18 Years old and for those that is older and he would come with Sacro pain which would kick in if asked for collection.
 

http://www.horseproblems.com.au/Horse%20Breaking%20in%20and%20starting%20Bits.htm

Regarding the Bits, I have  been looking at this for a while now. I don't know about the tongue over the Bit help by using the Pee Wee. I can only tell me that Horses do not prefer this Bit over others. Bits are subjective and are not suited to all Horses. You have to let the Horse tell you. For instance. Mrs. HP;s two young Horses. One prefers the Myler but the other prefers one of my lozenge type. Bit subject, not able to be handled here. Best of Luck.

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BLUE FLY VIELS

Hi John , i just noticed on your web site that you state blue fly veils blind horses ...... I just wondered is it the colour blue or the shade of blue that affects them

I look forward to hearing from you


Regards


Jill

I don't know Jill and I don't have to know. I am a rationalist. If Horses tell me they hate Blue, I listen and therefore it matters not what shade of Blue, I won't use them. Use Black and end of problem. Paralysis of the Analysis does not help Horses and Humans debating Colour or Navel Gazing does not help Horses. Regards

 

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Hi John,
I have a young thoroughbred (unraced, but rescued as an 18 month old colt), who has a bit of an issue with pulling back when tied.
I have now had him for 3 years and he is going well under saddle and groundwork is now good too. The biggest issue I had with him in the early days is that he wouldn't respond to a forward cue/pressure on the halter very well- he was very 'dull' obviously never received any proper training and had been wearing webbing halters which had been left on in the paddock as well (I assume this dullness could be also due to having a 'crooked' front leg which made it hard for him to walk when he was young, narrow-chested and unwell- he moves fine now). Overcoming all those issues, still in the 3 years I've had him, he will often 'test' the rope when tied up and sometimes pull back- and sometimes quite violently. Never (in the time I've had him) has he managed to pull free (I always tie him solid with good strong lead and rope halter), nor do I make a fuss when he pulls- I just ignore it and leave him tied. So far he has always come to his senses pretty quick and not slipped or jumped, he will quit pulling, step forward and lick and chew and relax and stand for as long as I need him to. I don't understand why he keeps doing it and am worried he may injure himself one day. What injuries (neck and back) can pulling back violently cause? Any suggestions as to how to deal with this? (Attached 2 pics of him at rescue place at 18 months and 2 recent pics)
 

Hi Kim, great shots as usual!!!  You sure have done a wonderful job with the 'Ugly Ducking' and he is a very lucky Horse indeed to have not found the 'Chopping Block" Such Horses are always at risk of Poll damage and may well have it already. In fact, that can trigger pulling back due to the every present expectation of pain. I would always have a neck strap protector on such a Horse. However, I would also be seeking to nip this one in the Bud once and for all and so I will mention here one of the things that I have never mentioned in writing but I know you and know that you won't mess it up. This Horse currently has all thoughts of backwards and expectations of things up front. It needs to get a balanced mind and to start to worry about some things out the back. This will fix it. Wear Gloves and don't wrap the rope around your hands. Place a Lasso Rope around the Flanks of the Horse, just flush and not causing any discomfort. Stand out the front and wait for the pull back. When it comes, crank up the Lasso and 'flank rope' the Horse. You will see the surprise of the Life of this Horse and a turn around in the thinking, thus balancing expectations up and therefore ceasing the pulling back, which is most dangerous for the well being of the Horse. See how you go with that. I have other systems.

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Hello,
I dont know if you like feedback but for some reason I feel I must give some.

I have read a couple of your articals and find myself agreeing with you but also shaking my head at your HUGE generalisations reguarding Pony Club/Riders.
I was wondering if you have actually done the research behind your percentages for riders and 'pleasure riding - letting the rains go', or is it just random figures
have you have assumed from the shows and people you have 'seen' only where you are located?

I have seen riders from all walks of life, all sorts of instructors or lack of for that matter all doing what you are sayng most-every PC rider does. In your photo "Here is how a Pony Club horse could or should go", yes that is a lovely horse but it is still a horse that wouldnt suprisse me if it came to one the the clubs rally days. Yes pony club is for fun and all that but from where I participated it was much more. Made up of riders which competed in PC and EFA comps and riders that just rode pleasure learning new things. There are always the riders who have the extra lessons pumped into them and riders that only have one or so a year etc. The ability of a ride often depends on how much money they have as well and as hard as it is to see the poor horses with their mouth ripped off are often with people that dont have the money for lessons but Ive seen it from riders of all backgrounds - club, lessons or not. Ive also seen the horrible motion of sea-sawing a horse to bring its head down and /or people yanking the horses head back for one thing or another. Im a strong believer in the fact that Horses ALWAYS have a reason for doing something. Its up to us to try and understand the reaction and reward something good or fix a problem causing something negitave.

I dont understand how it is possible that you have never met someone that is does PC and lets their horse walk on loose rain on a trail ride??????
I for one can name..... well most everybody I have ridden with. When we take the horses on a trail ride (numerous times a week), musters, beach or forest rides its always on the buckle. How else is your horse ment to chill and relax his mind from work etc. or even dont even hold onto the reins at all. They dont do anything besides walk along a track...
Even at the Pony Club events I have been to the riders let the horses relax and stand to wait for next class or round or whatever, I know a rule (for insurance on gounds) you have to have at least one hand on the reins for safety but that still allows the horse to relax, rest and stretch his neck.

* For example we acctually have a game we play on the horses called "Spider" which we play on trail rides.
The idea is to let the reins go completely and take your feet out of the stirrups (8 legs hence spider) and the first person to touch them is the looser.
The fun comes from using your seat to comtrol your horse while you have people trying to get your horse to trot/canter but clicking or something while trying to keep thier horse calm n relaxed as well. Much easier to get while on a horse then typed over internet, lol.

Yeah sometimes a horse can be excited and you must use contact until he calms or slows etc but they always calm down n they straight on the buckle when they do.

I think your articals would be a much better read without the pony club refferences. Maybe you are in a place where riders and instructors have no education about horses but I can assure you that the %% I have looked over are very far from the truth.

Thanks
Jamie

Cheers Jamie. Well done but it is not just the loose reins that I speak of. I'll pick a comment from this very day for you, off my facebook page.

i went to the local pony came last month and witnessed adults and children tying there horses up by there reins, the so called professional riding instructors had nothing to say about.. made me shudder!! they new nothing !

yep! Ive seen it everywhere! The ponyclub im taking my girl to for a bit of fun is pretty good but you do see some ridiculous stuff. Seen a horse so completely distressed abotu being tied up to the float (no twine either) just completely ignored. everyone involved with the animal left while it's rearing, kicking (lots of dents in the owners vehicle) and screaming. I actually moved my ute/float and horse away from this fiasco and went and hunted down the poor horse's owners. Tying by reins is so common it drives me insane. suprisingly enough, the only person who seemed to have anything said to them for it was me (not by an instructor either... bloody nosey mums).... my reins (long english style zilco endurance reins) had been unclipped from the bit and clipped onto her halter and looped through a tieup ring (equiping) that im testing on the big mare. Her bit wasnt even in her mouth! it was hanging up off a different tieup on the float!

I have been waiting Years for some improvement but it doesn't come. Jamie, I understand your concern as Pony Club is a wonderful Institution however, it is run by Neanderthals.

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Hi John and Linda,

What are your thoughts on mounting the breaker on both sides during the training process? Should it be included in training? If so, at what stage would you recommend?

Thanks
Jo
 

Good idea Jo but should only be done when you know the Horse will accept it without incident, for the Green Horse is dangerous and make one mistake and you can lose the entire project. Horses take very seriously, People falling off at mounting. More than Buck offs. Good thought though. Regards

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Thanks John,

 How big is your round yard? I've picked up some light cattle panels which I'll make one with, and was thinking of 20m, aka Pat Parelli.

20 Metre Round Pens are a complete waste of time for training Horses Lucy. Especially for Breakers, Green Horses and Problem Horses. Mine at home is 15m and that would be the max. The one's at the Sydney Clinic were 13 Metres.

You've given me a bit of an ah-ha moment with your dvd's and website. I went to my first pony camp when I was five, and continued on until when I went away to boarding school at 13. I think we were pretty lucky though, because we had a most memorable german woman, Mrs McDuff, would come and teach us dressage. She was five foot nothing, and had an extraordinary accent - the worst Australian twang mixed in with heavy german overtones. I can still remember her shouting "Git yer bloody boom down inta tha saddle!". I was boggle-eyed hearing that language at such a tender age! She did instill in us the same rein/leg techniques as you expound, though. I used to really enjoy the dressage.

Fast forward quite a few years and the girl who I was sharing a house with when I was at uni, was into riding and eventing, and I got a bit of a taste for it all again. With uni finished, I moved back to Gunnedah and a friend and I read about this Pat Parelli fellow, and we used pester power to convince him to come and do a demonstration in Gunnedah. It must have been around 1993 or so. Thus began my natural horsemanship era. All that came to an end in 1996 when I got married and we ended up living in far north queensland for 8 years or so - bauxite mining in Weipa.

Now we're back home on the farm, and the kids have ponies. For me, the ah-ha moment was how you've melded the dressage and the natural horsemanship. I always struggled with Pat's ridden methods. I can see now how the dressage and NHM can work together! So much so, that I'm thinking of adopting a standardbred for me to play with and start to ride again (had one too many thoroughbreds in my time - so over their tantrums ;-) )

Cheers, Lucy
 

Hi Lucy. Everyone should know Uncle Pat's 7 Games and every Horse will benefit if it is taught it. Having said that, Natural Horsemanship runs a Poor last when it comes to things like Tying Up, Breaking in, Showing and stuff like that. Especially the ridden stuff. Yes, it is all very Romantic and ah ha stuff but in the Real World, it doesn't Rate. Natural Horsemanship is a system of GROUND MANNERS, not a Breaking in system. It can be of course but the Horses started with it can never be as good as those started by the Australian Good Horsemanship systems. Regards

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Hi, my name is Andrea. I have recently broken in a 2 1/2 yr old boy into saddle & harness, he is 1/2 Arab X 1/2 Clydesdale, and a very quick learner. Thunder goes extemely well under saddle, long reigning and in harness. My big problem is he will not leave home under saddle, by himself. But will go anywhere long reigning by himself. I am perservering, but it is so frustrating. We did get further today than the day before. He is a tad stubborn to get going at times, but when going , goes really well. He really does not like to run alone, and has been part of my herd since he was 8 months old, although I do change all horses around, so they can be with different friends. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I have read your blog on saddle. Not sure about the face slapping thing though, but guess if it works !!
Will be looking forward to an answer.
Kind Regards
Andrea :-)
 

Slapping Face????? You got me there Andrea. Anyhow, Saddle your Horse, lead it half a k from Home, give it  a few nice Carrots while there, get on and ride home :) Easy really :) Don't allow jig jogging on the first ride or ever. Do so at your own peril!!!!! Best of Luck.

 

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Hi John,

Just wanted to comment on Emma & Belinda’s horse first. I have an older TB who sounds like he had much the same problem. Trimmed etc, had a vet come out to check and he did a lot of looking, getting him to trot, walk, pressure on the hoof and was unsure of what the problem was. Wanted him brought to the vet clinic for X Rays to look into Navicular disease. So I dropped him in on my way to work and when I picked him up he had his hoof all bandaged. Rather than start with the costly X rays he did some more searching in the hoof, lucky Zac is a very good patient boy, as he found a very bad thrush right in the frog and up into his heel. The vet had to delve in very deeply to eradicate the problem, once home we followed the advice and Zac was back to normal in about 4-6 weeks. There was no outward sign of thrush as far as smell etc. Thankfully this Vet was interested in the horse and wanted to get to the bottom of the problem.

Thanks Mardi. Good advice.

I have followed some of your advice re older riders and sold my mare on and purchased a 15hh SB gelding 9yo, what a beautiful breed of horse. Had a few issues when I got him home as he was so very hairy and skinny, we had so much feed I couldn’t just put him out in the paddock. After about a month of introducing him for longer periods into the paddock, and worming and giving him your sand recipe, I judged it was time to leave him out. Well then he started losing his coat, and I mean losing his coat, thought I was going to have a bald horse, couldn’t ride him as he had no covering on the girth area. Washed him with medicated shampoo incase it was a fungal issue, but thought it was feed related myself, his body was unaccustomed to the good feed. The hair was coming out faster than he could grow it back, his faeces was looking normal and he was bright and happy. He is now a rounded glistening bright bay, his face is alert and the biggest difference is his hooves, they were very small and contracted when he arrived with big bars (very strong hooves) you can now see the growth since he has been here and it looks healthier.
I was a little concerned that his temperament might have changed with him feeling so good, he loves to go on trail rides which he hadn’t done very much of with previous owner, bit spooky but we will overcome that with more exposure (think he had just been ridden at the agistment property and in the arena) strides out in front and takes the lead. Have ridden him round the farm, through water and taken him down the beach. He has the most comfortable canter, and would prefer to canter than trot. Anyway I have ridden this horse more in the short time I have owned him than I did the mare in the last 6 months, I feel confident riding if no-one is home and we get on, which is the most important thing.

Cheers,
M
 

Wow Mardi. Good for you. Incredible what happens when you remove the 'Chemist Shop" from their Gut???? :(  How lucky is that re the Canter. You have lucked out big time. Well done. You deserve it Mardi. Regards

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Hi John,
Hello again!!!!
Actually a training question this time :)

I've recently purchased a lovely new 10 month old filly. She came from interstate and hasn't been here a week yet. She's one of those sweet, inquisitive, personable horses. I feel that her handling so far has been more of the 'her following because she's nice' variety.

To cut a long story short.. I can't catch her! She is halter broken & wore a halter at the stud - it's not the catching that's the problem - shes not afraid of me - she doesnt like the halter being put on, or the lead rope being put around her neck (which I do as a matter of course). Today as I went to put it around her she took off, very frightened, though kept coming back to me. I lead her (by walking - she follows me) into a small yard thinking I could grab her.. But no way in heck.. As soon as that hand is lifted, she's out of there. I ended up grooming her (loose) with the lead rope around my neck, and rubbed it all over her (she wasn't keen though!!), and finished by me leaving her - not, her walking off.

Any ideas??
I've read the 'it's your face I want' - is she too young for this? She hasn't been here a week so is still unsettled - she's calm, but I can see she's internally still not really settled.
Should I leave her be & just continue grooming etc?

Thanks!

Hi C. Never worry about settling in. Do they settle in at the Monty Show? the Way of the Horse Show??? Get after her. Get her in a round pen, join up with her (nicely) put a rope Halter and a lead rope on her and drop it on the ground for a few Hours. Put training on the little Horse for no Grooming system ever worked in the History of the Planet :) Regards
 

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Hi John

Just writing in response to Sarah’s letter about Billabong ranch in Echuca. I know of this place and they are nice people although their definition of a quiet horse isn’t mine. Nothing to do with them just different experience levels. These horses are ridden in lines and then ridden by children on the camps in an arena, so as you said John, the horse will become an intermediate riders horse. A friend of mine has bought 3 from them which 2 have turned out great but one was a bad roarer. They did take him back but were not happy about doing so.

Don’t by sight unseen from them Sarah and don’t lose heart, I looked for 3 years for my old boy and don’t regret it and have now moved onto a 5 year old because of the confidence a great horse gave me. And with the help and guidance of you John!!! Thanks… Victoria clinic PLEASE..
 

Thanks.

Hi John,

I just read the letter from the person who wants to purchase a horse from Billabong in Echuca. These people are dickheads and totally not honest. You have given her a general warning but please tell her not to do it.
I went to look at a horse there years ago. The leg of the horse looked a bit funny in the photo but I thought it might just be the angle. I asked the people up front if the horse had any conformational abnormalities and they told me it didn't. After a three hour drive I arrived to look at a horse with a seriously turned in leg!!!! These people are dodgy- steer clear.
In all fairness it was 8 yrs ago and it could have changed hands by now. But I wouldn't trust them.
John, I know you publish all letters but please do keep in mind that I don't want to be sued for defamation.

Regards,
 


 

 

9TH OCTOBER, 2011

GAINSBOROUGH SOAP

and plenty of it there is too.

FERAL AGISTEE

We spent an interesting Day at the Spring Dressage Championships yesterday, with Mrs. HP trying to concentrate upon her Dressage on an important occasion and the phone going off constantly with Mega Drama concerning the Agistee that we had asked to leave last Week. Consequently she almost made a course error and would have no doubt been marked down in her first test for wobbly Horse and then would you believe, rode to the Gear Check with no Helmet on!!!!!!!!!!!! with everyone she rode past looking puzzled at her and wondering wheat in the Hell was she doing. Our Mobile was going off with countless People ringing, including the Police because the was a massive scene taking place at the new Property where the Woman had taken her Horse to. Police, Ambulance, S.E.S. culminating with her being taken to Hospital under heavy sedation. She had found her lovely Horse dead in the Paddock, having fallen in a Quarry and breaking his Neck. He was entered for the Horse of the Year which is soon. Threats were made to the Lives of our Horses once more and for the 3rd time in the last Week and to the Horse of one of our other Agistees who is a part time Staff Member. In fact, during the Night, after a few days, that the Horse was removed from Gainsborough, part of the Tail of a Horse was cut out.

It was reported to us Yesterday, that my sparring Partner here and Friend of the Woman, was also in attendance and I again received a Letter from her this Week, after last Weeks Soap.

OI!!!!
WATCH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IDIOT.. i NEVER ONCE SAID I WOULD EVER HARM YOUR HORSE, WHAT EVER FIONA SAID IS HER BUSINESS, NOT MINE.. I DONT CONTROL HER, AS U SEEM TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE AROUND U..

SO WATCH WHAT YOU SUGGEST PEOPLE ARE DOING OR YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF IN A CIVIL SUIT..

OH AND BY THE WAY, MY HORSE WAS WELL LOOKED AFTER, ALWAYS FED ON TIME AND IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE LOOKED AFTER TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, AND YOU KNOW THAT.

TRY AND REMEMBER YOU ARE ONLY AN AGISTMENT CENTRE, PEOPLE PAY TO AGIST THEIR HORSES THERE, AND MOST DONT APPRIEATE YOUR INTERFERENCE, NO OTHER PLACE DOES WHAT YOU DO.. STICK THERE NOSES IN WHERE THERE NOT WANTED.. Toni Stubing
 

I see you have fulfilled my description of People like yourself Madam, as being 'Thugs" for you are shouting here in your writing. Interestingly though, I can read through your Words here and note that you have toned down and in fact are quite shocked at the extent of the behaviour of your Friend and even manoeuvring yourself sideways out of her space in your Letter. I always call it as I see it and agree with you that you were a good Horse Owner when it comes to general care of your Horses but where we parted ways was when you allowed one Cowboy Bully to contribute to the Death of your First Horse while you sat there thinking he was great and then allowed that Female Cowgirl Bully terrorize your lovely Chip to the point where he was crying and all other Horses at Gainsborough were screaming with concern. You may have not heard young Chip, as you were once again in awe of the Bully on your Horse. Anyhow, you are backing the wrong Horse this time.

Hi John, I got a good laugh out of your run ins with the two female ex agistees, sorry for laughing but I have had a gut full with similar types. There will be one of them at pony club gnashing her teeth but not saying anything and then a similar temperament woman will join and then it is on for young and old as they join forces and try to dismantle the club, the instructors and anyone else who gets in their way. Why is it so ? God knows but they are ruthless.
On the high plains there are many brumbies and the saddle horse wants to join them and live their type of life. Who can blame them!. On organised trail rides we tell the riders..adults and children, do not let your horse go under any circumstances. What happens? one woman took the saddle and bridle off in the open so her horse could roll and be "free" ..result horse was never seen again. She blamed the instructors for not getting the horse back, yeah right, galloping through snow gums riding a $4000 horse trying to catch a horse without gear on, is a recipe for a helicopter ride to hospital or a bullet in the head for your injured horse.

Another child let his saddled horse go, it took off, chased by me and another instructor and after some 'man from snowy river' riding we got it cornered and returned..what was the result, a woman on the ride complained at the next meeting that we left the group in danger by taking off after the runaway, what did she want us to do,? the silly b***h . The end result.. we were censured by several members who were not there on the ride, did not know the full story, the same people could not ride a gate on a windy day I might add, so the other instructor and I said we had had enough and we never returned and without us the club virtually folded.

Don't be like us, never give up and never give in mate, !! regards Bill
 

I learnt a long time ago Bill, that Ferals and Scum Bags of these Days rely on the fact that everyone of good upbringing simply Cow Down to them, if not for their Thuggish Behaviour and their Bully Friends but due to the sheer embarrassment of being the subject of their disgusting behaviour that they pull  out at the drop of the Hat. However, I also learnt that when the few in our Society who have the Guts to stand up to them do so, they unravel at the seams and go into Melt Down for they are simply used to going through Life terrorizing everyone around them and getting it all their way.

These Days we are surrounded by Scum Bags, many of who are Not Working, who are Milking the Welfare system and who we are paying for, who are skilled in the art of claiming under Work Cover rorts and Insurance Claims, while they reek terror and havoc to all around them. There needs to be a Giant Clean out in this Country and we basically need a 'Depression' to even up the system. Endure the pain of all going Bankrupt and being on the Streets but at least it would clean out this Society of Bludgers and Scam Artists.

Anyhow, I have now had her and her threats and the Gloves are off this Week. She is about to be brought to the attention of all who should know about her and we will be attending the Court tomorrow to apply for a Restraining Order against her and her Friends.....plus more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr She still owes money of course and has left her Bags of feral Meadow Hay and manure laying along her Fence in a Hell of a mess.

SPRING CHAMPIONSHIPS

Anyhow, the rest of the Day was great and Mrs. HP won in a full Field of 31 at the Spring Championships and Donner Cappo performed really well against all of the hot Competitors. Disappointingly, a Competitor who had run a place behind her in other Test, where she ran 4th, lodged a protest and we can only think that it could have been about Mrs. HP as when presentation came (which was half an hour late due to such pathetic complaining as if Cattle Stations were riding upon it) she had been dropped to 6th and he put up. Lord knows what happened there

SATURDAY

PRELIM

73% odd with a win and very appreciative in this Company. 31 of the best Horses in the State and Victoria.

 

Risk Management at the Dressage :(

SUNDAY

NOVICE

Mrs. HP very happy to win the Novice 2b and 6th in the other Novice on the second Day.

 

A very gorgeous Duccio Filly, again with the temperament of a Saint.

 

DRESSAGE JUDGING

I haven't spoken about this for a long time but I must again. Here we have 31 of the top Horses and Riders in the State. The Class of both has steamed ahead in leaps and bounds over the past 10 Years and is now arriving at European Level. I know, I have been there and watched. The Judges however, have not come along with them. They are still stuck in the old Days. Brainwashed I reckon. I remind you that 60% is SATISFACTORY. 7 is FAIRLY GOOD. GOOD however is 8. Therefore, don't anyone tell me that these top class Horses and Riders, the best in an entire State are not GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! For if they are indeed NOT GOOD, then the administration of Dressage in this State must have been appalling in the past.

This is not having a go at Judge Bashing. This is about the administration and training of Judges. Nothing to do with Judges. I must pay this compliment though. Judge Carly Boon gave Mrs. HP the first 9 in her 25 Year long Career. So I guess there is hope. Very correct, very brave, very progressive and very promising.

Oh, I do have one question. Scroll down on this Judging Sheet and check Angela Donaldson. 1st and 18th. 61% to 73%. Go figure that one?

Anyhow, wonderful Comp, great organization and venue. I only have one complaint. You see, they have this President who loves the sound of his own Voice and at the end of the Day, at presentation Ceremony, gave the Worlds longest preamble speech I got to give it to him though, he is quite funny and rather cheeky :) Oh, he has even invented Seniors Dressage Events and Hell does he need them hahahahaha.

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NEWS OF THE DAY

 

FIFTEEN horses have now died at a property at Kooralbyn, in the Gold Coast hinterland - and authorities don't yet know why.

The devastated owner of the horses, Steve Hogno, and the large Beaudesert equine community were anxiously awaiting word from Biosecurity Queensland about the possible cause of the mass death.

An emotional Mr Hogno said he only moved 25 quarter-horses to the Kooralbyn property 10 days ago from Oakey near his Toowoomba home.

They were to be part of a planned multimillion dollar sprint racing facility in the Kooralbyn area.

Mr Hogno made an urgent dash from Western Australia, where he is working in the mines, when he heard about the first horse deaths yesterday afternoon.

"I left straight away when I heard the news and got here at 5.30 this morning," he said.

 

"It's very sad - my partner and I have breed them and cherish them.

"They have a few ticks on them but I don't think, and the vets agree, that it's enough to do the damage that's been done."

Kooralbyn resident and horse owner Doug Wilson said he and wife Lisa watched helplessly yesterday morning as some of the horses died in apparent agony.

"It's just distressing to watch a beautiful horse die in front of you - choke to death - and there's nothing you can do," he said.

"They were thrashing around and not in a good way."

Mr Wilson said several locals risked their safety to comfort the stricken animals, ignoring the threat of Hendra virus.

He said while it was a relief Hendra had been ruled out, "let's hope there hasn't been an intentional poisoning or something stupid like that".

One of the surviving horses appeared to collapse when it was moved into a temporary holding yard this afternoon.

Mr Hogno said Biosecurity Queensland had ruled out Hendra virus as a cause but the deaths of the horses remained a mystery.

"The Hendra tests have come back clear which still leaves it as a mystery, but at least it will put the local community's mind at rest that there's no Hendra in the area," he said.

Mr Hogno said post-mortems would be carried out on some of the dead horses to try to solve the mystery.

However, the test results were not expected back today.

The surviving horses would be moved to another property to see how they responded to different feed and water, Mr Hogno said.

Some of the horses have been euthanised but most have dropped dead in the paddock.

Biosecurity Queensland yesterday confirmed five horses had died and another three were seriously ill at the property southwest of Beaudesert.

But it's since been confirmed that 12 horses have died.

Local horse rescuer, Heather Mackay, who has been on the property since yesterday, said she had seen three horses die herself.

"To be honest they're just dropping to the ground dead," Ms Mackay said.

"(They're) having seizure-type movements and some of them are taking a while to die.

"No one is being allowed on or off the property at the moment."

 

Horse deaths at Kooralbyn
THE scene at a Kooralbyn where 12 horses have died in mysterious circumstances.
Source: The Courier-Mail
Biosecurity Queensland this morning confirmed two more horses had been euthanased.

 

Test results are expected back on the horses today to rule out the Hendra Virus.

BQ said yesterday horses on the property were not showing signs of Hendra virus, which has killed 21 horses this year in NSW and Queensland.


Biosecurity Queensland this morning confirmed two more horses had been euthanased.
Test results are expected back on the horses today to rule out the Hendra Virus.

BQ said yesterday horses on the property were not showing signs of Hendra virus, which has killed 21 horses this year in NSW and Queensland.

 

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Family, classmates remember woman killed in horse-riding accident

WILLS POINT (KYTX) -- A young mother who was killed in a horse-riding accident near Wills Point is being remember, even as the entire community rallies around her family. CBS 19's Field Sutton went to Wills Point High School today to learn how Cheyenne Ramirez is being remembered.

The kids told us that they believe she's in a better place -- and faith is winning out over their sadness.

"I believe this happened for a reason," said Patty Lovvern, as she sifted through memories at a country crawl. Lovvern has decided grief is an unwelcome guest at her bed and breakfast. "I just put it totally in God's hands. I don't question anything."

Just days after a spooked horse dragged Cheyenne Ramirez through an East Texas field, causing her death, her grandmother says she has a reason to celebrated -- a gift named Ryden, who's just 16 months old, and who looks just like his mom, Cheyenne. "She just loved him to death. That was her whole life," said Lovvern. "She just loved that little boy."

Hiding inside a fence of pink balloons, 800 of Cheyenne's old classmates are finding their own ways to deal with her death. Sarah Foster and Taylor Dodson took up a cowboy hat collection. "She's just special, just a special person," said Foster. "A person who brought the whole town together."

You'd be forgiven for thinking Wills Point High requires uniforms if you were on campus Wednesday. "Her favorite color was pink and camo, because she was a country girl," said Dodson. "In honor and memory of her, we wore pink and camo."

Now every shade of green and splash of pink is a reminder that Cheyenne and her family are not alone. "We just love everyone for caring and being there for us," said Lovvern. "It's amazing. We all miss her."

One of Cheyenne's aunts told us she's going to miss Cheyenne's eyes the most because every time she smiled, they lit up like diamonds.

The high school is hosting a candlelight vigil at the football stadium on Thursday night. Cheyenne's family plans to be there, and say they hope the stands are absolutely packed. A fund has been set up for Cheyenne at all American National Bank locations, as well as Citizen's Bank in Wills Point.

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PHOENIX — Jockey Gary Baze suffered broken vertebrae in a training accident Tuesday at Turf Paradise and underwent surgery at a nearby hospital.

According to his wife, Vicky Baze, a plate and pins were used in the surgery to stabilize and fuse the bones.

"The doctor says everything is progressing as it should," she said. She said her husband has full movement of his arms and legs.

Vicky Baze, who is also a prominent jockey, said another horse was galloping and suddenly ducked in and collided with the rear of the horse her husband was aboard. The collision knocked him off his horse, and he struck the inside rail.

Vicky Baze said neither of the horses nor the exercise rider involved in the collision was injured.

Gary Baze, 55, has more than 3,400 career victories. He was in the 2003 inaugural class of the Washington Racing Hall of Fame.

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DEATH MOURNED

 Biltmore Estate officials are still investigating an accident on the estate Sunday that claimed the life of a Rutherford County woman.

Debra Lusk, who was taking part in a group equestrian event, was trampled by a horse after it had been loaded onto a trailer.

The event happened Sunday afternoon, Biltmore director of communications Kathleen Mosher said today.

Officials are still trying to determine how the accident happened.

“We are really deeply saddened this happened,” Mosher said. “Our prayers go out to the family. It’s really a tragedy.”

Lusk family members said the horse was scheduled to be euthanized today.

The 16-year-old Amish boy injured earlier this week in a farm accident Tuesday has died, the Olmsted County Coroner's Office confirmed Friday.
Joseph Yoder suffered severe head injuries when he was thrown from a horse
while mowing hay with a horse-drawn mower on a farm near Clyde, southeast of St. Charles.
Yoder climbed on the horse's back to urge it to go faster, Winona County Sheriff's investigator Kraig Glover said. The horse reared and threw the boy head-first into the hitch. The horse then stepped on the boy's head, Glover said.
A 13-year-old boy working in the field with Yoder ran for help. Yoder was was flown by the Mayo 1 helicopter to Saint Marys Hospital in Rochester, Minn.


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Pickup, Horse-Drawn Buggy Crash Kills Girl, 12,

St. Mary’s County, MD — A pickup truck struck a horse and buggy in St. Mary’s County Saturday, October 1, 2011, killing a 12-year-old girl. The fatal accident occurred before 7:40 a.m., at the intersection of Route 5 where Oaks Road turns into Mount Wolf Road in Charlotte, reported the Washington Post.
According to reports, the driver of the Amish buggy was trying to cross the intersection from Oaks Road to Mount Wolf Road when it had the green light. As the buggy was crossing the road, the light changed to red before the buggy could get all the way across.
A pickup truck, which was headed north on Route 5, attempted to cross the intersection on the green light without noticing the buggy still in the roadway. The truck, driven by Francis Jerome Brawner Jr., 31, of Waldorf, MD, subsequently hit the buggy.
The impact of the collision ejected both the driver and its two passengers from the buggy. Responding emergency crews transported all three buggy occupants to Civista Medical Center for treatment of their injuries. Passenger Saloma Kathleen Stoltzfus, 12, did not survive the collision and was pronounced dead at the hospital. The remaining two victims were treated and released.
It was not reported if the horse was injured in the crash.
Preliminary investigations revealed no evidence that speed, alcohol or drugs contributed to the fatal crash.

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runnaway amish carriage

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Police in central Pennsylvania say a runaway Amish buggy crashed into a parked car after the horse's harness broke.
No one was seriously hurt in the accident, which happened around 9:30 a.m. Thursday in Aaronsburg.
The Centre Daily Times reports ( http://bit.ly/qpcVB5) the buggy was headed east on Route 45 when part of the horse's harness broke. A 54-year-old woman riding in the buggy tried to steer it off the road, but was thrown into a fence.
The horse and buggy then headed down an alley and through a field, hitting two signs and then crashing into the unattended parked car. The woman suffered a minor head injury and the car had minor damage.
 

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LETTER OF THE DAY

 

BUCKING OWNER OFF

aha! it seems to be the same as the buck stop, however attaches to the bit then to the girth between the legs. I am watching your podcasts at the moment anyway. The breaker I used teaches to ride in a halter first, then after a week put the bridle on. It's not the way I have ever done it, but it has been many many years since i broke in a horse, and even then I have only done a few. So, I listened to him, and got bucked off second ride. Then again third ride. Then mouthed her, then got someone else to ride who "reckoned" she had never come off from a buck, and, got bucked off. Got another friend who rides breakers for a living to help out, had one ride great, then, she rode when I wasn't there and put spurs on, spurred her by accident, got bucked off. Due to weather, holidays, busyness etc this has all happened over about 6 weeks, with me doing ground work in between. However, she is still incredibly spooky, and someone falling off all the time is not building her confidence. Now my friend who rides the breakers cant come till January as her work has gotten busy, and the breaker I used is injured so cant ride himself and I am not game to. basically I am looking for a solution that I can get on, and not come off. She has good lateral flexion, not so good "front brakes", but they are improving. After watching your podcast I realised I did not make enough of a big deal about flexing her while getting on, and flexing her to stop, which is exactly when the first buck happened, when asking her to stop . . . she said no . .. and so the problem began. I am a fairly decent rider, have lost my nerve a bit from this though, pretty annoyed at myself for falling off in the first place ( it was a tiny little buck) and now she bucks much bigger having learnt how to get better at it. Would like to wait for my friend, she did it exactly as you said, lateral to get on, and as soon as any hint of an issue, but wondering if i could do it myself with the same method.

I have been re-doing the spook training with plastic bags/tarps etc, its funny, she doesnt improve much day to day, almost have to start at the complete beginning again each time.

Hi Kel. This is the classic example of what I have been saying for many Years and which we teach and do every day. RIDING BREAKERS IN HALTERS, NO BITS OR SIDE PULLS exposes you to high danger and the complete loss of the career of your Horse forever and all of your economic investment. The Purists can argue all they like but they cannot prove it.; They cannot do it. We do it and prove it every day of the Week and at the Sydney Clinic, with known Buck Jumpers, spelled Breakers and others, all of which tried to Buck off Nathan, Trevor, Daniel, none could and all were shut down on the instant. Hence the remouthing of every Horse at the Clinic. So your Horse should also be remouthed for regardless of what you say and any other Owner, about the quality of their controls as they see it and feel it, Read my Lips, none of these Horses ever have the Mouths that we expect and require to actually stop a Horse like yours from Bucking. Yours will not either!!!! That is because I talk about the 'Underlying Mouth" not the daily Mouth. You have to fix the 'Underlying Mouth" The one that comes and bites you right on the ass when the chips are down.

So go down the page and go to those links I put up there for that Lady and go do them aggressively. Find the true 'underlying Mouth"

The reason why you must NEVER let a Breaker Buck is as you said, they get better at it every time with practice BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they get a mental condition about the Mounting process and the commencing of riding process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is what you have now and what you have is a 'fistful"

So I say again, have faith in the Rope Halter Starters and of course many don't have issues BUT a percentage do and that is a fact. Best of Luck.

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LETTERS OF THE DAY

 

Hi John,
Just reading your page tonight and it makes me feel ill to read of all the horse related deaths,do you post these to keep people aware of the dangers of horses?

Yes I do Laura. To possibly save Lives and to make People sit up and take notice that Horses are "lethal Weapons" often in the Hands of Amateurs, WITH POOR BRAKING SYSTEMS. That's why we are so passionate about Mouthing systems and Remouthing systems.

Its something i am very aware of as i am a mother of two little boys. I recently purchased a tbred mare who i brought for breeding purposes but also wanted to be able to take her out for quiet rides ( i just a pleasure/bush ride) her original owner gave her away ,she was then passed through a couple of people before i purchased her . Through alot of searching and detective work, lol, i came across her original owner who told me she had given the mare away as she needed alot of work and would sometimes buck and rear under saddle ( the people i brought her off forgot to tell me this part...how convenient!)....the mare is a gem to handle on the ground ,but i noticed she didn't seem right in the backend,after taking her out for a quiet trailride,she did alot of what you have talked about in your page,vetinary and the of the track tbred, she trots like a cat on a hot tin roof,my right stirrup i had to adjust 2 levels down to feel balanced and even.she broke into a sweat within ten mins and was chewing on the bit with her top lip lifted and tensed,going down hill she would colapse in the backend.
We only walked and a couple times attempted a trot which she would try leap into the canter i had to one rein stop her a few times as she felt as though she was ready to explode. A very horrible ride, i got on and off her throughout the ride and lead her down hills as she didn't feel safe.Once i was off and leading her she was relaxed and calm. I feel this horse has backend issues and im surprised how someone actually used to ride her like this..i suppose thats where the rearing and bucking came in!!
I sent you a video of her being worked on the lunge the other day for you to assess but you wanted to see her under saddle walk trot canter,after riding her today i think i would be asking for trouble if i rode her in frame and asked for a canter...where do i go from here is the question.. She seems like an honest horse and i want to help her...but also cant afford to get hurt.
Do you think i should start to lunge her using your running reins untill i start to see some improvement with her before i ride again??
I wonder how much damage has been done mentally if she has been going around like this for 10 years...quite sad really.
regards
Laura
 

I viewed that Video Laura and the Horse is Lame. What's new? You were very lucky to have gotten away with that ride and not to have been one of the statistics or stories on this Page. Get rid of the Horse and protect your Life. Stop trying to rescue lost causes and risking your lives. People do it every day of the week. All very admirable but HIGHLY DANGEROUS. Think about your Life. Frankly, there are too many of these Horses running around.

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Hi John,

I got your mouthing CD a few weeks ago and finally have some time to begin. Have hit a hurdle straight up- bridling. I am mouthing a 9hh shetland pony filly. My problem is that she is clenching her teeth and I'm not sure how to get over this. I am an experienced amateur. I have a horse I purchased years ago who is very good to bridle thanks to my training. When I first saw him the owners had to chase him backwards to get a bridle on him. Now he puts his head down and takes the bit easily. So I'm not new to bridling. I know the principles- put your thumb in the corner of the mouth to get them to open their mouth and then slide the bit in without banging the teeth. Easier when dealing with a big gob perhaps but there is much less room in a tiny mouth. I don't have enough hands to hold the head and the bridle and insert the bit with enough presicion to not touch the teeth. I'm not banging them but it does touch them and she is clenching them. I'm not sure whether to try to do it with more finesse or less. I'm using a jointed tom thumb which I thought was close enough to an FM on a tiny mouth. I have thought of changing to a plastic pipe until she gets the hang of opening her mouth. I don't see it as a huge problem yet as we have just started but I'm all in a lather on the best way to procees that won'r ruin her.

Regards,
Vivienne
 

Use a Carrot instead of your Finger then Vivienne. If you Bridle with the technique that we use, you will have enough hands and you will have full control. Use a Carrot on the outside or off side of the Mouth, end of problem. Cheers

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Hi John,

Recently my parents purchased me a Mare. For the first week she was perfect stopped when I said woo & went on a click. But now everytime I do a slight kick she kicks up her back legs, her ears go straight back, yet I still walk her on.. We took her to the vet and she gave her Butalone Granules for her back, which we thought was the initial problem as she had a sore wither, but I had been off her for about 2 weeks and hopped back on today, when trots she limps, so we are thinking she may be lame. She has a crack in one of her hooves the farrier did her hooves (just a trim) and said not to worry too much about it. This is my first horse she is 16, a paint. The first day I rode her she had cracked hooves & went like an angel. The saddle we brought is a stock saddle & I can carry it with one arm and I'm only 13... The lady we purchased her from said its out of her nature, to do anything like this. Can lameness be treated?? I'm not sure what to do...

Thanks,
Emma.

Hi John...Emma's mum......
I rode the horse in the round yard before we purchased her, she was fantastic, very responsive, no problems at all....had a heavier old style stock saddle on her, no problems with saddling her up, now she puts her ears back as soon as the saddle touches her....the vet said to get a good numnah/ pad to help if it is the saddle that is hurting her, it has not come yet but is on the way....I have lunged her and she is carrying her right hand front leg, really dipping her head down.....I realise it is impossible for you to make a judgement without actually seeing her, but the change in her is incredible, she has not hurt herself that we can tell, and is fine when just walking, only a problem when she gets trotted up or actually ridden......the farrier gave her hooves a trim and said we may need to put shoes on her if the crack continues to widen.....just need some advice....at a real loss....and really concerned for this beautiful horse who we dearly love......and really want emma to enjoy riding and not have her confidence diminished.....she knows her horse is not naughty, she is just asking her to get off because she hurts......
Kind regards,
Belinda.
 

Hi Emma and Belinda.

This is not good. I’ll answer quickly as I field 100 or so a day.

• Cancel the Numnah as that is not the fix. It will only transfer the problem of the ill fitting saddle through regardless. The Saddle needs fitting.
• The Vet needs to get their ass back there and earn their money. They need to tell you why the Horse is lame PRESCRIBE BUTE and go away. Terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!
• Did the Vet do Stress Tests on all joints??? Look for Ringbone??/ arthritis????? The sore wither?????? Saddle????? Obviously!!!!

Send me photos of the saddle sitting on back of horse with no saddle blankets. Photos of horse front on, rear on with standing dead square all around, side on.

Can you upload a youtube vid????

Regards for now

Hi, thanks, yes I agree, we are not really impressed with the vet, and will be getting her to do some further investigation.....I will get the photos organised for you .....Im a real animal lover and can't stand seeing Tequila in any pain...so we need to get this worked out.
thanks for your help,
Belinda.

Good Idea. Too many Vets are fast with the Bute and slow on investigation!!!!!

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Hi
Do you have any views on the peewee bit I have a very nervous horse who tends to bolt when out by herself
thanks Jan

I do as I have tested them. Horses do not prefer them.

Rather, Remouth your horse and put air brakes on it.

http://www.horseproblems.com.au/testing_the_lateral_mouth_of_your%20horse.htm

http://www.horseproblems.com.au/DVD%20Sales.htm#ReMouthing

Go read this too: http://www.horseproblems.com.au/Stopping%20the%20Bucking%20Horse.htm

kind regards

 

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Hello John,
I have just read your site, very interesting, I am one of those from the Adelaide Plains now wanting a horse property near Hahndorf, gradually moving from Eastern suburbs to Crafers and now onto Hahndorf.

Is there a paid service where I may see how a horse property runs with a visual sense of organising and a year planner including annual costs?

This would be of great service to the novices.



Horses were apart of my youth and from Ancestry a big part of the family in Yorkshire with Liveries and Wagonettos in the early 1900's.


Hoping you can assist,
Kind Regards
Mrs G
 

I wish Mrs. G. Great idea though and I will do it when I am in my dotage. I have placed your email in a Folder of things to write. Thanks for the great idea. Regards

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Hi John,
Just reading your page tonight and it makes me feel ill to read of all the horse related deaths,do you post these to keep people aware of the dangers of horses? Its something i am very aware of as i am a mother of two little boys. I recently purchased a tbred mare who i brought for breeding purposes but also wanted to be able to take her out for quiet rides ( i just a pleasure/bush ride) her original owner gave her away ,she was then passed through a couple of people before i purchased her . Through alot of searching and detective work, lol, i came across her original owner who told me she had given the mare away as she needed alot of work and would sometimes buck and rear under saddle ( the people i brought her off forgot to tell me this part...how convenient!)....the mare is a gem to handle on the ground ,but i noticed she didn't seem right in the backend,after taking her out for a quiet trailride,she did alot of what you have talked about in your page,vetinary and the of the track tbred, she trots like a cat on a hot tin roof,my right stirrup i had to adjust 2 levels down to feel balanced and even.she broke into a sweat within ten mins and was chewing on the bit with her top lip lifted and tensed,going down hill she would colapse in the backend.
We only walked and a couple times attempted a trot which she would try leap into the canter i had to one rein stop her a few times as she felt as though she was ready to explode. A very horrible ride, i got on and off her throughout the ride and lead her down hills as she didn't feel safe.Once i was off and leading her she was relaxed and calm. I feel this horse has backend issues and im surprised how someone actually used to ride her like this..i suppose thats where the rearing and bucking came in!!
I sent you a video of her being worked on the lunge the other day for you to assess but you wanted to see her under saddle walk trot canter,after riding her today i think i would be asking for trouble if i rode her in frame and asked for a canter...where do i go from here is the question.. She seems like an honest horse and i want to help her...but also cant afford to get hurt.
Do you think i should start to lunge her using your running reins untill i start to see some improvement with her before i ride again??
I wonder how much damage has been done mentally if she has been going around like this for 10 years...quite sad really.
regards
Laura
 

With this one, due to lameness which is evident, you should go straight to Vet investigation. Show the Video to the Vets or replicate the lameness to them. Forget Chiro and the rest of them first up. Diagnosis first. You can’t train this out until you know what you are dealing with Laura

Best of Luck

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Hi John,
I have been handling leesa’s Shire filly foal (a week old). She is leading fine, can pick up all 4 feet tie up and move her hind end either way etc. what I’m interested in is your opinion on how we go about floating her 2 hours two Northam when they take the mare to be re served.
a/ do we tie her next to her mum?
b/ leave her untied with the mare tied?
C/ I intend taking the centre divider out, do you agree?
Thanks in advance for any advice
Regards
Kevin
 

Hi Kev.

Take the Divider out or you will have big trouble loading them as they both think they are being separated.
Depends if back of float is fully enclosed or not as to whether you have it untied or not. If open, I would tie it up, longish so it can not pull back badly if it hasn’t been taught to tie up but also can’t turn around and jump out, which is always a chance. I though, would teach the young one to tie up before the Float trip anyway. Only takes a day.

regards

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Hi ,
I have been looking for my "dream horse" for about a year now and I've found a horse that fits the description. It's a clydie x paint filly. She has been homebred by Billabong Ranch in Echuca. I live in Dubbo Nsw and am considering buying sight unseen. I'm very wary of this as they want $4500 & it's a lot to spend if the sellers arnt honest in the description ( they sound honest & very nice). I am trying to find someone near Echuca to try the horse for me or knows anything of this ranch ? They have a riding school and do trialriding / camps.
What I want is a quiet trialriding horse. We have 70 acres and I'd like to plod around the paddocks safely. I've owned horses all my life (im 30) and they have all been quiet but all had their individual faults. I am nervous but capable. any advice appreciated. Should I just forget it? I've also considered buying a Hayes Park clydie x they guarantee a quiet young horse. Do you know anything of them? I wish the type of horse I was after was closer to home! Thankyou so much for your time,

Sarah
 

Some of my Readers may know these operations Sarah. I would worry about the Riding School Horse. You cannot get a line on the true Horse out of a School as they often change personality down the track and lift a couple of levels of ability of Rider. ie. Learner Horse jumps to average. Average Horse jumps to Good Riders Horse and so on. Definitely do not buy that one sight unseen. Cheers

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hey, im retraining my friends andiloosian (or how eva u spell it :/ ). but wen i try to lunge him he just walks straight back to me. i get him to walk on but then he walks only a few cm away from me. so i aim the whip at his shoulder so he comes to a hault but then no matter how hard i hit him on the bum with the whip but he still wont walk on. i only lunge him in an arena. an i also want to turn him into a showjumper or eventer but he has no jumping style, is there anything i can do to help that?

Jacinta

Hard without seeing the Horse Jacinta, but sounds confused to me and therefore flogging his rear end may well be highly unfair. Go get a Plastic Bag on the end of a long stick and frighten/surprise him to go BUT use it from the first producing of it, sparingly and down the scale of lightness so that you can capitalize upon his moving to quickly teach him the aids to lunge and the voice commands. Therefore, the first scare of him to run away, reward with voice, BUT REMOVE THE STICK. Lunge a couple of laps, stop, reward and then you still have the stick as a back up. BUT FIRST ask with voice, cluck, hit ground with whip BEFORE PRODUCING BAG. Keep your Powder dry in other words. Regards
 

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Hi John, may I have your advice please!

I have never worn spurs in my life. I am positive my OTTB has never had spurs used on him in his life.
He is just not forward going enough nor leg yielding effectively enough as my legs do not seem to be enough for him, so I wish to start using them. Rather than whack em on and hope he doesn't react by killing me....: ), could you give me any pointers on things I could do, or be careful of, to prepare, or a short lesson on how to use them.!

Thank you

Phae
 

Hi Phae. Keep your feet pointed forward, walk only, flex the horse to the fence at the walk, ask for the hind to move off, place spur softly on side of horse and only push. Observe, experiment, build. Not a problem. Regards

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